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Thatguy3331



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:53 pm Reply with quote
A lot of us seem to pride ourselves on how great some of the shows we like are, but lets face it, we all have skeletons in the closet and shows that we know either aren't particularly good or are our usual cups of tea. Here I ask of you, out of any show you've watched that you realized wasn't that great, do you still watch anyway and enjoy it regardless?

This is not, and I repeat, NOT a debating corner of what's actually good or bad. Like I said the show simply may just not be your usual cup of tea so most of this is up to preference. This is just a thread to get things off your chest.

Now to answer my own question, which may come as a surprise considering what my avatar is at the moment but it would have to be A certain magical index as a series. The first time I watched it I generally enjoyed it, I laughed thought it was awesome how a guy was fighting with his fists against these high level magicians and espers and was pretty interested in the world and wanted to see the "magic and science collide" already. When I finished season 1 however a bit before season 2 started, I found that pretty much 95% of the web either hated it, 3% of them being mixed, and 2% actually liking it.

When I take a step back at it was pretty easy to see what they were talking about, techno babble would often fly over my head, the MC doesn’t really have character development and he's the pre-concept of one punch man, while the title character hardly does much, there is little to no transition during arcs and season 1 didn't exactly end on an 'ending' and you're left asking yourself: "was that it?" Despite all that though I still find it pretty enjoyable regardless.

why?

well when I thought about it I still do like Touma as the main character for the series, it'd just feel odd to me if anyone else was the main character in this environment. the times when he's not in serious mode are amusing to me, especially when he's with Biribiri, and the times when he does fight I respect the fact that he's just fighting with his bare hands (with a anti-magic right hand...which at the time I thought was cool) considering all the times I've seen giant beams, arm stretching, lightning bolts and even bullets, I enjoy myself seeing these odd match ups. Again on characters I like most of them and their interactions to one another, even though she's not my favorite, I do generally like Touma and Index's interactions, there's a bit of sweetness to it I can't deny and if it wasn't for biribiri, I just might have been a shipper for them. I don't think I need to say much about biribiri, and the rest of the cast that follows, especially the other two mains that show up later down the series and I generally find the world there interesting, especially after reading further into the light novels, which are also a heavy reason the series has grown further on me. You can do FAR better in your random action shows but for me index works for what it is.

Alright, so I've spilt my guts all over the floor, how about the rest of you guys?
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momthemeatloaf



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:03 pm Reply with quote
Kanokon. A show with seemingly no substance aside from constant fan service, but I still watched the first 10 episodes or so back when it aired and moderately enjoyed it.

Not sure if I'd count K-On, because while it lacks a lot of the things I normally want in a show, I felt like it was really good at what it was trying to do. As a slice of life moe blob high school comedy I really enjoyed the show.
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Chiibi



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:14 pm Reply with quote
There aren't any series I feel guilty for liking if I'm in the company of my friends. We ALL like messed-up shit! Anime hyper

There are MANY that I keep secret from family and church members though. Anime hyper Mostly ecchi/loli stuff....shounen-ai and shoujo-ai too. These people would find such series appalling and they'd be disturbed that I liked them. :/
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WhiteHairGirls



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:45 pm Reply with quote
Hmm I have trouble considering Index a guilty pleasure anime. Well for me, I guess my guilty pleasures would be anime about little sisters or taking care of kids that are on the ecchi side. So anime like Papa no Iu Koto o Kikinasai! and NAKAIMO.
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Thatguy3331



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:34 pm Reply with quote
Chiibi wrote:
There aren't any series I feel guilty for liking if I'm in the company of my friends. We ALL like messed-up shit! Anime hyper

There are MANY that I keep secret from family and church members though. Anime hyper Mostly ecchi/loli stuff....shounen-ai and shoujo-ai too. These people would find such series appalling and they'd be disturbed that I liked them. :/


Ah a comrade(?)

There are many thinks I keep tucked away from my folk just in case of our religion. Its bad enough my mom thinks that all FMA does is put down believing in a religion but the last thing I need is to explain why I have a volume of blue exorcist in the house Anime hyper all ecchi series are a given for me to hide, as such I keep my laptop screen away from my bedroom door Anime hyper
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Chiibi



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:23 pm Reply with quote
Yes, we are comrades. Anime hyper

That's ironic considering that FMA is JesuOtaku's favorite anime and she is Christian!

She probably has the same opinion as me though: it is just a story and not all stories HAVE to reflect what only YOU believe in to be good stories. Rolling Eyes

It would be really a very boring world if everyone thought the same way.
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amarielah



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:26 pm Reply with quote
Yu-Gi-Oh is very much a guilty pleasure for me. As is Blood-C.

Also, I do tend to enjoy some reverse-harem, cliche-ridden shojo series that I would count as guilty pleasures. Ouran is the only one that isn't "guilty" at all.
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HaruhiToy



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:33 pm Reply with quote
Are all you guys still pretending like there is some other kind of anime?
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getchman
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:39 pm Reply with quote
HaruhiToy wrote:
Are all you guys still pretending like there is some other kind of anime?


i'm not, but i don't exactly feel guilty about it
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Tris8



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:08 pm Reply with quote
The biggest one for me has to be Dragonball and DBZ. Yep, definitely a guilty pleasure. I know it is simple, repetitive, often melodramatic, and Goku can be one hell of a frustrating idiot among other issues, but this series still floats my boat. I love the sense of adventure and developing powers in Dragonball, and Goku's naiveness leads to many entertaining situations. DBZ has an epic feel that I don't get from many other series even when the stakes are high. The world is on the line, there's some time travel, androids, stuff blows up, and I always love seeing them first discover Super Saiyan mode. I am not even a teenager anymore and I really like the Dragonball franchise. Kinda embarrassed to admit it, but, well.

For the most part, I don't rewatch DB or DBZ. I often just watch 'DBZ funny moments' videos on youtube, or my favorite fights or favorite episodes.
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Galap
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:49 am Reply with quote
Without going too deep into the whole objective/subjective thing, I'll say that there really aren't any things that I'm 'guilty' about, as in there isn't anything I like that I think is bad.

That being said, some anime I like I do feel that I'd need to justify to others due to their reputations, and the general response to them.

The first of which, and probably the one I like the most of these, is Soukou no Strain, which is I guess I could say, a show I love despite it's many faults. I know what I said before, but having faults is different than being bad. The show did many things very well. The main character, Sara Werec, is really strong, and the show is mainly about her overcoming what happens to her and her PTSD about it. I liked how insidiously brutal the show was, with spoiler[Sara's brother defecting to the other side in the war and slaying all her friends and potential love interest in a mech battle in the first episode, and then showing how in war everyone's vulnerable by having the bitch who bullied her later die in battle. Then, she finally starts to make friends again and likes another guy. They get close to confessing but are interrupted and the guy is subsequently murdered by her brother Ralph before they can see each other again. ]. The war has been going on for centuries, and is gearing up to have a million on million spaceship battle, each ship having thousands of crew. In the end, spoiler[ you think that maybe her brother is somehow going to be talked down and they will reconcile. Nope, he's beyond reason and she kills him.] This all sounds very grim, but the show actually handled it quite well; the way all this was executed made it a very good exploration of human nature and warefare. There were good heartwarming moments too, and the main message of the show was that you have to move on no matter what happens to you, and have to keep trying to right your wrongs.

As for the flaws, there's quite a bit of fanservice, including one whole episode that breaks the mood and is pretty dedicated to it, with everyone naked in the shower. That being said, the second time I watched it, that episode and its contents did seem to have a point in the grand scheme of things, and I saw what they were trying to do, though it could have been done better in some ways. The animation wasn't very good, with all the mech fights being not very good CG, and the conventional animation not being great either, but hey, the story was good.

Another one is B Gata H Kei, which is on one level a pretty silly and funny comedy about a horny girl trying to get with a guy (or 100 as she claims, but not very seriously). I thought it was particularly funny because I identify quite a bit with Yamada, the main character, quite a bit. Well, at least she's kind of like I was in high school in that she was maybe a little too much into the opposite sex, or at least handled it in a way that was completely lacking finesse. The show captures perfectly how in high school, everyone has pretty stupid ideas about sex, and sex is mostly talk and little action. People want to do things, but then get cold feet and bitch out. People want to do things, but then realize they don't really know what they're doing, and people are afraid to express their own feelings. It's quite accurate actually, despite being kind of over the top. [/b]
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wcsinn



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:01 am Reply with quote
Chiibi wrote:
.... That's ironic considering that FMA is JesuOtaku's favorite anime and she is Christian!


Question, why is that ironic? Not being a Christian I'm not sure I understand why someone would find FMA (of all things) objectionable.

For my own two cents, I don't believe in the concept of 'guilty pleasure', I watch anime (TV, movies) to be entertained, if I find a show entertaining why would I feel guilty about it? I'm much older than you guys, and maybe that has something to do with it, but frankly I don't care what other people think concerning what I watch, and feel no compulsion to explain my viewing habits to strangers or simple acquaintances in any case.

True, in any medium there is entertaining and then are the exceptions which are quite good, but this really doesn't count for much as far as I am concerned. Casablanca may be hailed as the greatest movie of all times (just picking a classic at random), but if it simply isn't your cup of tea, why would you bother watching it? Conversely, Michael Bay movies are certainly not going to win any Academy Awards, but if you enjoy his movies (and I do) why would you feel guilty about it.
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Ignatz





PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:44 am Reply with quote
wcsinn wrote:
For my own two cents, I don't believe in the concept of 'guilty pleasure', I watch anime (TV, movies) to be entertained, if I find a show entertaining why would I feel guilty about it?

I think this thread is less aboult feeling "guilty", but more about people not being comfortable about letting others know that they like ecchi/loli stuff (or just shows that are not really mature, like DBZ and Yu-Gi-Oh!). However, I think that is mostly true for teenagers. When you're older (like in your case), you don't really care about other people's opinions.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:07 am Reply with quote
WhiteHairGirls wrote:
So anime like Papa no Iu Koto o Kikinasai! and NAKAIMO.


NAKAIMO was so wonderfully terrible, no arguments there. But you know, Papa no Iu Koto o Kikinasai! actually ended up being pretty okay. There's a lot of things it does surprisingly well, and not just for an Ecchi show. I don't feel guilty at all for liking it. Well, maybe a little bit; Miu was too sexualised for me to feel comfortable with it. But Papa Kiki is not a bad show by any means.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:16 am Reply with quote
Chiibi wrote:
Yes, we are comrades. Anime hyper

That's ironic considering that FMA is JesuOtaku's favorite anime and she is Christian!

She probably has the same opinion as me though: it is just a story and not all stories HAVE to reflect what only YOU believe in to be good stories. Rolling Eyes


After being born, raised and lived my whole life as RC in I also wonder what is wrong with FMA from Christian POV. Unlike some popular Western writers Arakawa never said that anything in her work should be taken seriously- just a rule of fun. And I must admit that unlike many Japanese mangakas she did better research than taking the superficial inspirations.

I actually find all Japanese misconceptions about Christianity pretty entertaining. It's funny to see that Christianity there has the role that in Western popculture belongs to Asian religions- cool accessories and mystery stuff that gives it's followers superpowers.

Back to the topic I never hide my interests from anyone (not that display it in everyday aspect of life, but don't get my collection out of sight when somebody enters my room). My parents never bothered with forbidding me anything and my colleagues are pretty tolerant, but I sometimes feel guilty. There are so much classics to read and watch, so many things to learn- how I'm supposed to enjoy my Dragon Ball while I should not waste my precious time on something so simple?

Solution was quite easy and pretty obvious- I started to learn Spanish, watch series with latino dub and read translated mangas. I's still a beginner, so the simpler, the better. And that gave me access to lots of series that never had English releases or were out of print (Phoenix!). Verdict: not guilty.
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