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NEWS: New York Times Manga Best Seller List, April 4-10


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BunnyCupCakes



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:15 am Reply with quote
Are One Piece fans happy now? Surprised
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PiercingArrow



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:51 am Reply with quote
probably. i never knew this day would come that one piece manga would be finally on NY times Manga Best Seller List.
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Emma Iveli



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:25 am Reply with quote
I can't believe all 5 are on the list, it's been months since the speed up has happened... it figures that that one of the best arcs is the one that does it.
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Daimao Raki



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:34 am Reply with quote
5 slots? Kudos to One Piece.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:50 am Reply with quote
I'm thrilled Black Butler's managed 11 weeks. Yeah!
Not bad for a shojo title with BL undercurrents. (No, it's not BL, but it's extremely slashable)
I still talk to guys who think shonen is the only stuff that sells, but the big shonen titles have more than a few fangirls buying them.
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LKK



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:59 am Reply with quote
CCSYueh wrote:
I'm thrilled Black Butler's managed 11 weeks. Yeah!
Not bad for a shojo title with BL undercurrents. (No, it's not BL, but it's extremely slashable)
I still talk to guys who think shonen is the only stuff that sells, but the big shonen titles have more than a few fangirls buying them.

Black Butler is a shounen title. It runs in the shounen mag G-Fantasy. Admittedly, G-Fantasy is not your stereotypical shounen manga magazine, but if you want to Japan to find G-Fantasy or Black Butler in the stores, you would need to look in the boys' books and magazine sections not the girls' sections.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:32 am Reply with quote
That's...a lot of turnover all at once.
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CCSYueh



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:22 pm Reply with quote
LKK wrote:
CCSYueh wrote:
I'm thrilled Black Butler's managed 11 weeks. Yeah!
Not bad for a shojo title with BL undercurrents. (No, it's not BL, but it's extremely slashable)
I still talk to guys who think shonen is the only stuff that sells, but the big shonen titles have more than a few fangirls buying them.

Black Butler is a shounen title. It runs in the shounen mag G-Fantasy. Admittedly, G-Fantasy is not your stereotypical shounen manga magazine, but if you want to Japan to find G-Fantasy or Black Butler in the stores, you would need to look in the boys' books and magazine sections not the girls' sections.


This is a as much shonen as Saiyuki.
Her baka manga Updates page indicates-
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TOBOSO Yana
Currently resides in Yokohama. Also writes yaoi under the pen name YANAO Rock.

This is hot/cute guys interacting & everyone crammed into that room for the Yen panel squealing over this title were gals last year. It running in a shonen mag is little different from Clamp's Angelic Layer being promoted as Clamp's first shonen title. It was still a shojo-y title very much in clamp's style.
I haven't run into any guys buying this one in the store or talking about how much they like it in a comic shop. I run into a lot of gals buying this one. There have to be some guys buying it, I'm sure, but this is not aimed as guys. I'd gamble over half (maybe 80%) of the buyers of Kuroshitsuji are gals.
When I check out G-Fantasy's page at Baka--
http://www.mangaupdates.com/publishers.html?pubname=GFantasy
I wouldn't call E's shonen as much as it's that shojo sci fi like Jyu-Oh-Sei or Juvenile Orion. Gestalt is by Yun Kouga & features a mage who's turned into a chick as a handicap for a contest who is in love with a male priest. Hatenkou Yuugi IS Shojo. Tactics is shonen-ai & you know it. Nabari no Ou is pretty damned close to shonen-ai to being very slashable. It's like Naruto written by a gal who's read one too many NarutocharacterXNarutocharacter doujins. To Terra is a classic sci-fi title written by a gal.
I just finished this one & I do agree
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SWITCH- Action, Drama, Mature, Mystery, Psychological, Shounen, Shounen Ai

I don't know about the circles you move in, but shonen & shonen-ai are usually not compatable. I've seen guys complain over very slight shonen ai undertones as ruining a title (Fafnir comes to mind). Shonen ai in the US tends to cancel out the male readers.
I remember in a Newtype USA article the studio was pleasantly pleased they pulled in as many male viewers for Saiyuki as they did because the perceived audience was female. Somewhere along the line I recall in the 1990 Shonen Jump was dying, wondering how to increase sales, & it was gal-friendly titles like Hoshin Engi that pulled their fat out of the fire.

Do you think maybe Square Enix knows the success of a lot of their titles hinges on female fans buying them, so they look for titles that are basically shonen-wrapped shojo? So call it shonen all you want. I frankly see little dif between Saiyuki & Wild Adaptor, but one ran in Comic Zero Sum while the other runs in Chara which is yaoi. In fact, Saiyuki ran in G Fantasy, Saiyuki Ibun & Saiyuki Gaiden in Zero-Sum Ward, & Reload in Comic Zero-Sum. Saiyuki is tagged shonen, Reload is tagged josei, Ibun & Gaiden are josei...
but they're all parts of the same story by the same author. The only dif is the mags they're published in.
So even if Kuroshitsuji is running in a shonen magazine, it is an exceptionally female friendly one & Kuroshitsuji could run in its current format in Chara, Zero-sum or Asuka. I don't see that list of titles for G-Fantasy as being as testosterone-heavy as Shonen Jump titles overall.
You win on the technicality of area code, but the content doesn't fit.
And it's still cool that a title that is far more gal-friendly/less guy-friendly than most shonen titles has lasted 11 weeks
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LKK



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:50 pm Reply with quote
I won't argue with you, CCSYueh, I happen to agree with you. Like you said, I win on the technicality and that's just about it. I would add though that looking through my G-Fantasy every month, I do see more stories that are traditionally shonen-styled than the ones the magazine is best known for here in the US. I tend to think of G-Fan as a shounen magazine that knows it has a large female crossover audience and doesn't hesitate to embrace those readers.
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Monster in a box



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:05 pm Reply with quote
BunnyCupCakes wrote:
Are One Piece fans happy now? Surprised


For now! CP9 is great, but that's as far as I've gotten. Need to get back to that...
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Jaymie



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:42 pm Reply with quote
One Piece massacred the entire NYT list. Wow. Only Black Butler and Naruto managed to hang on after that.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 2:28 pm Reply with quote
CCSYueh wrote:
This is a as much shonen as Saiyuki.

"Shounen" and "shoujo" are entirely determined by what magazines they run it, content be damned. Of course, as in America, it is more acceptable in Japan for girls to read "boys'" series than vice versa, which is why you have a lot of stories in seinen and shounen magazines that appeal to female readership as much or even more than males - whereas shoujo and josei rarely throw men a bone.

But that doesn't make them any less shounen or seinen. Just not exactly normal shounen or seinen.
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Kyokat



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 2:39 pm Reply with quote
BunnyCupCakes wrote:
Are One Piece fans happy now? Surprised


Yes! Very Happy
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Ashen Phoenix



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 4:18 pm Reply with quote
BunnyCupCakes wrote:
Are One Piece fans happy now? Surprised

Hahaha. I should hope so.
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Gasero



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 4:21 pm Reply with quote
Looks like One Piece saturation effort might pay off afterall. Good for them.
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