Forum - View topicIs there a certain formula that's developed in anime?
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DragonsRevenge
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Over the last few years? I'm not really sure how to say this so bear with me.
First of all, as I've mentioned here and there, I'm out of the anime loop, but from what I've seen in the last couple years, which admitedly isn't much, it seems as if there's a certain formula that's developed. I think in facial expressions, in the dialogue - lets just say that there are certain times when I can understand what the person is saying without reading the subs, since the phrases are recycled so much - in general character designs. I think up until around 2003 or 04, character models were more unique. Now it just seems like palette swapping. I'm probably just pigeonholing here, and dammit, I wish I could express this idea better... if the thread stays open - hopefully people will get what I'm talking about - I'll come back with better examples. |
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RHachicho
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I do to a degree. However there are still shows with a unique slant to the character design like XXXHolic. I think it's just that at the start so many different people were making Anime and it was more of a homespun thing where the people calling t he shots where the people making the Anime. And so their individual styles shone through alot more. Now however Anime has settled on a style and not many things deviate from it however the same can be said of any media "type" Hollywood is the same.
It's a sad truth that you will always find the most innovation in the early years of such an industry but the high budgeots that allow other things don't come until much later. It would be awesome to see something that combined high budgeot with such innovation but sadly this is very unlikely. |
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DragonsRevenge
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No, there are certain styles that shine through. Fantastic Children, Mushi-shi are two prime examples, and Syonara Zetsubo-sensei as well. I guess it's a good thing to say it's taken the better part of 40 years for anime to fall into a formula? |
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John Casey
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This developed:
Also - she's 16 years old. |
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LaFreccia
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Clearly there were several genres that emerged previous to whatever you might consider recent. Giant robot shows and harem comedies are two obvious examples that were well established in anime prior to 2000.
It is also common for many works within a period to have a stylistic similarity; this can happen because certain artists are very active at that time, because many artists were inspired by a common source, or because a certain style suits the tastes of the day (the so-called 'spirit of the age'). So, yes, to some extent there are various formulas that arise -- remember we are talking about a form of popular entertainment. The wonderful thing is that some people are able to either create something compelling despite (within) the accepted formulas, or move beyond these formulas (likely creating the next formula that will be pumped mercilessly). |
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Mushi-Man
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I think this developed "formula" (though I'm going to refer to it as "style" from now on) came about from years of anime creators being influenced by one another. Over the course of anime history character designers and key artists have been influenced by many of the same people, so it's no surprise that they would create similar looking designs. Even in the early days of anime this can be easily seen. Just try and compare Tezuta's style to most other anime and manga artists of the time and you'll notice that they are quite similar. The art styles being similar is no mistake, it's a united sub-conscious decision to make anime in a specific style because (at least for the time being) it's what most viewers like to see.
And I think it's worth noting that there are still plenty of unique styles and designs out there. |
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RHachicho
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Strange im trying to find the bit in my post that said i think there are no recent Anime shows with unusual or fresh art styles. Still can't though.
also to be fair John you can't completely blame the genrealisation (if that's a word) of Anime on moe. Sure it's probably a factor but let's face it almost all Japanese Animation is Anime by default so where there is money to be made you will get 0 brain media. |
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John Casey
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Both FMA and Death Note are a few good slices of brain food, yet are both complete marketing whores.
We be needin' more of that, instead of woobie 19-year olds stuck in 5-year old bodies living in some apartment complex harem. Or in this case, cardboard boxes. Only living thing in this world allowed to reside in a carboard box, and retain integrity, is the one and only Snake. |
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
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You do realise that image is just a joke on her name, right? Mikan being Mika Inamori's nickname (Manabi Straight!), as well as the Japanese for Satsuma, and mikan boxes being a common anime trope. Manabi Straight was done in a style that has come to be known as "Puni Plush" according to TVTropes. |
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vashna
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I’ve actually noticed some formulae within particular series. For instance, Mobile Suit Gundam began in 1979 with a main character whose father was in charge of developing mecha. He piloted his Gundam unit against a mask-wearing villain fighting for a space-faring country that had many parallels to Europe’s Imperial Age. In Mobile Suit Gundam Wing, you have another quasi-European state with a mask-wearing mobile suit pilot. In Mobile Suit Gundam: The Motion Picture F.91, you have a European-esque Imperial State headed up by a leader in a mask who’s fighting against a young pilot in a Gundam unit that was developed by his mother. The storylines are all very similar. This doesn’t make Mobile Suit Gundam bad in any way of course, and I’m not trying to say that. I’m only pointing out the fact that the formulae used in Anime can be traced back at least 31 years.
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egoist
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Is it me or did you just completely ignore the fact that it's all the same franchise? |
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John Casey
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=/ More like this. I don't care if it's Puni-Cutey-Honey-Hunny-Puny-Plushy-Orangey-Boxy, shit's just plain creepy. |
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vashna
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I did not mean to suggest that at all, Egoist. I apologize sincerely if it had seemed so. However, what I was trying to say was that the idea of creating something based on a set formula is nothing new. Once more, I apologize.
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RHachicho
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Hmm at this thread is leaning dangerously close to the Moe argument again. I would only point out the possibility that without the money thr Anime industry makes from Moe shows and products there might be an awful lot less of the shows you like realised. Or the Anime boom may have died down long before now its all well and good saying "moe needs to die" but in reality you don't have a clue how that would effect the industry. You just kneejerk because it personally "creeps you out" I would suggest the following solution.
do ... not ... watch ... it. Besides what you watch does not define you. Believe it or not you can watch a moe show and still be a big strong gruff man. You don't have to feel insecure about feeling all sweet about some cute girl. Men have parental instincts too. Nor do I care if the animators want to say she's 16 so some sickos can get their thrills out of it. Imho if even one sicko sits in his basement and does unspeakable things to Moe anime rather than molesting children in real life then Moe has all the excuse it's ever going to need. I apologise if this post ends up derailing the original argument as that is not my intent. I also often agree with your views John and probably will again. I merely wish to point out that spewing a "Moe Hate" post (or any hate post) into any topic that could in even the broadest terms warrant it is kinda antisocial. On another note I can pretty much agree with Vashna's post completely formulas are nothing new before they where in Anime they where in other things. You could view it as a sad repetition of our stale and used up imaginations. Or you could view it as stories we love so much we wan't to hear them over and over retold again and again. This argument is sort of a glass is half full one. It all depend's on your own perspective. |
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LaFreccia
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I would also recommend that people look into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Propp. Propp picked out about thirty plot elements that can be used in different combination to generate every story he studied (Russian folk tales). |
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