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strawberry-kun
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2025 10:34 am
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Are we wealthy yet? This whole thing is absolute stupidity.
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Traptrix Lover
Joined: 17 Dec 2022
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2025 11:45 am
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D.E.D.E wrote: | CD Project Red came out already to confirm that Cyberpunk 2077 is all on a 64GB cartridge with no download or ‘unlocking’ required. There’s no reason what so ever for Cyberpunk 2077 to be able to fit on a cartridge but Braverly Default (one of the games with a ‘key’ cartridge’) can’t. It’s simply down to whether or not the devs WANT to do the extra work, which is a tale as old as time at this point.
So no, key cartridges are not the new norm nor are they replacing cartridges with actual games on it. |
At least not until people keep buying them and signal to companies that they're fine with not owning their games. Which is more of a question of "when" rather than "if". At least Bravely Default is only $40, I guess. Although I'd still rather just play the patched 3DS version
Wyvern wrote: | The "anti-woke" gamer crowd has really knocked it out of the park, huh? They didn't make gaming any less "woke" and games they're furious at like Starfield and Assassin's Creed Shadows still ended up selling like crazy, but on the plus side, the elderly lunatic they helped elect has now made video games unaffordable for everyone, including them, so the Right won't be able to get offended by games anymore. |
Out of all the games you could cite you pick Starfield and Assassin's Creed: Shadows? One game which came out in 2023 and was maligned by gaming outlets and progressives at the time because it came out when Bethesda was being criticized for being mean to their trans employees and constantly used as a punching bag by outlets doing their "[GAME] has lost 95% of its player count!" to demean it and the other a game whose last sales update was only 3 million players and then an announcement that Ubisoft was being subsidizing out to Tencent
It's very interesting you say games are not any less "woke" though. I've read numerous think pieces these past months citing bigoted gamers as being the reason studios and games like Dragon Age and Concord failed to find success and ended up shutting down. And articles about how the rise of Chinese and Saudi investors equates to less LGBT and diverse content in video games. But if you say video games are as woke and successful as ever and have nothing to fear from all this then I suppose I'll defer to your expertise.
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i got the shivers!
Joined: 30 Nov 2022
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2025 12:12 pm
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Beatdigga wrote: | As horrible as it is to consider, apparently most of those people consider making games unaffordable an acceptable sacrifice to tear down a system they believe has failed them (the go-to response when people complain about the tariffs is "My treats!" as if the people talking are spoiled children and not worth responding to). |
Are video games really "unaffordable" to Americans now or is this just people being hyperbolic? I suppose if people buy every single game that comes out that can add up quite fast but I only buy a few games a year since most of them do not interest me. So far this year the only game I have gotten was Monster Hunter Wilds since everything else has been remasters, rereleases, or games that do not interest me. As for the "my treats!" comment I actually think there is a ring of truth to that. Video games are a luxury. If a game costing a bit more is such a big deal or a financial breaking point for someone then they may need to re-evaluate how they spend and budget their money. Nobody should be agonizing over making any kind of financial decision. If it's that much of a debate then they probably can't afford it.
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oilers2007
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2025 12:42 pm
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Wyvern wrote: | The "anti-woke" gamer crowd has really knocked it out of the park, huh? They didn't make gaming any less "woke" and games they're furious at like Starfield and Assassin's Creed Shadows still ended up selling like crazy, but on the plus side, the elderly lunatic they helped elect has now made video games unaffordable for everyone, including them, so the Right won't be able to get offended by games anymore. |
I guess if you ignore all those games that completely flopped or underperformed in 2024 and had their studios gutted like Suicide Squad, Dragon Age, Concord, Skull & Bones, and Star Wars Outlaws, then sure.... all is well, I guess. And from all accounts the new Assassin's Creed hasn't been doing super great either although we probably won't know the numbers until much later. It did poorly in Japan at least but that was expected given the massive backlash it was getting over there so they had a personal vendetta against it which was a shame.
i got the shivers! wrote: | Are video games really "unaffordable" to Americans now or is this just people being hyperbolic? |
Nintendo charging 10 dollars more for Switch 2 games was a greedy move but no, it's not a make or break situation if it's a game people really want. And Nintendo fans will gladly pay the premium as we've seen many times before. And no one knows how the tariffs will affect anything yet if they even end up sticking around. It's all speculative at this point and people love fearmongering the worst case scenario.
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BrazillianCara
Joined: 31 Dec 2023
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2025 2:25 pm
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Emerje wrote: |
D.E.D.E wrote: | No it’s not, the amount of misinformation around this single fact is staggering. |
Your use of "misinformation" is pretty wild. What I said was more exaggerated than actually wrong.
Emerje |
I don't know, the way you said it really made it sound you actually believe all physical Switch 2 games will require a download.
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AiddonValentine
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2025 5:24 pm
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And now Goodsmile has made prices higher for figures like Nendoroids because of the tariffs. Y'all were warned
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db999
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2025 6:06 pm
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oilers2007 wrote: |
Wyvern wrote: | The "anti-woke" gamer crowd has really knocked it out of the park, huh? They didn't make gaming any less "woke" and games they're furious at like Starfield and Assassin's Creed Shadows still ended up selling like crazy, but on the plus side, the elderly lunatic they helped elect has now made video games unaffordable for everyone, including them, so the Right won't be able to get offended by games anymore. |
I guess if you ignore all those games that completely flopped or underperformed in 2024 and had their studios gutted like Suicide Squad, Dragon Age, Concord, Skull & Bones, and Star Wars Outlaws, then sure.... all is well, I guess. And from all accounts the new Assassin's Creed hasn't been doing super great either although we probably won't know the numbers until much later. It did poorly in Japan at least but that was expected given the massive backlash it was getting over there so they had a personal vendetta against it which was a shame. |
Pretty much none of those games failure’s had anything to do with "being woke" or anything of the sort. Suicide Squad failed because the gameplay was really poorly conceived and wasn’t fun to play, Dragon Age failed because it completely abandoned its main audience by ignoring pretty much all of the choices of the previous 3 games, and centering a story that SHOULD be about the 3rd games protagonist around a completely new character with no emotional connection to the main villain of the game, Concord failed because it was yet another Live Service game in an oversaturated market, so no one played it, I’ve never heard of Skull and Bones, and I do keep up with video game news pretty frequently, and Star Wars Outlaws failed because it just didn’t look good. I mean people are completely ignoring the real reason why those games are bad so they can keep making the same lazy and untrue arguments over and over again.
Now about the Tarriff's they're 100% going to be affecting the price of video games, and probably everyone in general. Now we don't really know how much they'll end up driving prices, or how long they'll end up lasting, but they're probably here to stay for the foresesable future.
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ranran-001
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2025 6:48 pm
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i got the shivers! wrote: |
Beatdigga wrote: | As horrible as it is to consider, apparently most of those people consider making games unaffordable an acceptable sacrifice to tear down a system they believe has failed them (the go-to response when people complain about the tariffs is "My treats!" as if the people talking are spoiled children and not worth responding to). |
Are video games really "unaffordable" to Americans now or is this just people being hyperbolic? I suppose if people buy every single game that comes out that can add up quite fast but I only buy a few games a year since most of them do not interest me. So far this year the only game I have gotten was Monster Hunter Wilds since everything else has been remasters, rereleases, or games that do not interest me. As for the "my treats!" comment I actually think there is a ring of truth to that. Video games are a luxury. If a game costing a bit more is such a big deal or a financial breaking point for someone then they may need to re-evaluate how they spend and budget their money. Nobody should be agonizing over making any kind of financial decision. If it's that much of a debate then they probably can't afford it. |
If the consumer can buy it, is a seperate issue. Nintendo was pricing their console under an assumption that was completely undermined by an unstable president. Video games will only be unaffordable if everything else inflates in price. Guess what, everything else sold in the U.S. is going to inflate in price.
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WoodDude
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2025 7:01 pm
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db999 wrote: | Pretty much none of those games failure’s had anything to do with "being woke" or anything of the sort. Suicide Squad failed because the gameplay was really poorly conceived and wasn’t fun to play, Dragon Age failed because it completely abandoned its main audience by ignoring pretty much all of the choices of the previous 3 games, and centering a story that SHOULD be about the 3rd games protagonist around a completely new character with no emotional connection to the main villain of the game, Concord failed because it was yet another Live Service game in an oversaturated market, so no one played it, I’ve never heard of Skull and Bones, and I do keep up with video game news pretty frequently, and Star Wars Outlaws failed because it just didn’t look good. I mean people are completely ignoring the real reason why those games are bad so they can keep making the same lazy and untrue arguments over and over again. |
If Concord failed because it was a live service game then why were there plenty of successful other live service games in 2024 and 2025? Helldivers 2 and Marvel Rivals were two of the big successful live-service games. It seems naive to think think things like certain story elements or character designs don't play a factor in a game's reception especially if they're what dominate the entire discussion surrounding a game. The new Emma Frost trailer for Marvel Rivals has gotten a lot of positive praise from people due to her sexiness and some backlash from the usual suspects who dislike sexy women in video games. The only discussion about Concord I remember is having the worst character designs ever made. Same with Dragon Age's discussion being dominated entirely by the Taash character.
Regardless of why people feel those games did poorly they did do poorly which would disprove the original poster's statement that these kinds of games are doing fine and haven't been having trouble. Saying they did poorly but only for unrelated reasons is just moving the goalpost
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Covnam
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2025 10:04 pm
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AiddonValentine wrote: | And now Goodsmile has made prices higher for figures like Nendoroids because of the tariffs. Y'all were warned |
Oh dang. Glad I got my preorders in and don't buy them that often
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ranran-001
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2025 10:24 pm
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Covnam wrote: |
AiddonValentine wrote: | And now Goodsmile has made prices higher for figures like Nendoroids because of the tariffs. Y'all were warned |
Oh dang. Glad I got my preorders in and don't buy them that often |
None of this is funny. We can only wish it were funny. It's not like the prices for everything is going up so it will be okay, because when prices going up, we all pay more, the only way out of this is either the prices go down(only if the price decrease isn't because of an economic depression), or people who want to maintain their current level of living get pay raises. That's the only two options.
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Dr. Wily
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2025 12:11 am
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Bertram wrote: | Nintendo has the opportunity to do a 400 IQ move here and simply do nothing at all. They're already catching flak for their greed with the price increase so all they have to do is let this stew for a few days and then announce they've decided to keep the price the same. They can paint it as them keeping their word and staying committed to what they announced for the sake of the customer and their integrity. So the original price everyone was originally outraged over now comes off as a generous gesture while everyone panics about tariffs. And Nintendo doesn't have to lift a finger. Win-win for them. Even better for them if some kind of trade deal is reached and the tariffs go away and they keep the initial price and just move along like nothing ever happened. |
No company in the world is gonna decide to lower their profit margin (or depending on the manufacturing costs for the Switch 2, possibly even lose money) on a literal brand new product (hell, it's not even really "new" because it's not even out yet!). Any price hike looks bad, but it doesn't look as bad when the product isn't even on shelves yet, and what looks much worse for all the corporate-types is making weak profits when the earning reports come in. Investors aren't gonna care about how much good will you have (plus, c'mon, we all know people would still complain about the price if they did nothing).
I would love if we lived in a world where CEOs just decided to forgo profits because they're all such swell guys, but that ain't the world we live in.
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Bertram
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2025 12:29 am
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Dr. Wily wrote: | No company in the world is gonna decide to lower their profit margin (or depending on the manufacturing costs for the Switch 2, possibly even lose money) on a literal brand new product (hell, it's not even really "new" because it's not even out yet!). Any price hike looks bad, but it doesn't look as bad when the product isn't even on shelves yet, and what looks much worse for all the corporate-types is making weak profits when the earning reports come in. Investors aren't gonna care about how much good will you have (plus, c'mon, we all know people would still complain about the price if they did nothing).
I would love if we lived in a world where CEOs just decided to forgo profits because they're all such swell guys, but that ain't the world we live in. |
Oh I don't think they'll actually do it or anything I was just musing. The era of Nintendo where Iwata took a pay cut to prevent layoffs and slashed the 3DS price is long gone. I don't see modern Nintendo being as nice or consumer friendly anymore given the past year of questionable choices and decisions they've been making.
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Dr. Wily
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2025 12:43 am
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i got the shivers! wrote: |
Are video games really "unaffordable" to Americans now or is this just people being hyperbolic? I suppose if people buy every single game that comes out that can add up quite fast but I only buy a few games a year since most of them do not interest me. So far this year the only game I have gotten was Monster Hunter Wilds since everything else has been remasters, rereleases, or games that do not interest me. As for the "my treats!" comment I actually think there is a ring of truth to that. Video games are a luxury. If a game costing a bit more is such a big deal or a financial breaking point for someone then they may need to re-evaluate how they spend and budget their money. Nobody should be agonizing over making any kind of financial decision. If it's that much of a debate then they probably can't afford it. |
I mean it's a little of column A, a little of column B. It is people being hyperbolic but also... it does become unaffordable. If you're on a minimum wage job living paycheck to paycheck (or worse yet, are unemployed) there's a chance that you quite literally can't afford to spend full price on games a lot, or especially do something like shell out $450 for a new console. And yeah, games are a luxury. Everything that's not food, water, clothes and a roof over your head is a luxury. But to reduce all luxury items to saying they're people complaining about "treats" is callous at best. I will admit that I think the outrage over the initial price is a little entitled (I mean what did people think, a brand new console would be under 400 bucks?), but anyone complaining now about this adjustment is a little more justified imo. We are living in a rough economic time (that is quite literally getting rougher weekly now!) and it's a hard pill for people to swallow (especially for the alarming number of Americans who take everything their golden god-president says at face value and think that surely any price adjustment because of tariffs are actually the manufacturers' greed instead of the market doing what the market does in response to tariffs)
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BadNewsBlues
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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2025 4:12 pm
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aereus wrote: | I wouldn't go that far: Steam is certainly the largest storefront for games, but AFAIK the Nintendo eShop has A LOT of games available on it. (For better or worse) Almost anyone can release games on it, |
And as is the case with Steam, and the PlayStation Store there’s a shit ton shovelware on the store that shouldn’t be on there in part because of this
MrPuzzles wrote: | You get what you pay for it. Americans deserve this 1000%.
What sucks is that the rest of the world doesn't. But like you said, most of the rest of the world happens to have actual grown ups as figureheads. Canada and the EU are already planning to economically move on ahead without the US. |
I like how you say Americans deserve this eventhough many people voted against Trump and his policies but in that same breathe mention how the rest of the world doesn’t deserve this. I would also be careful around playing up the idea of the EU being made up of grownups between the fact that a few of these countries therein are little better between flirting with facism like France or having political parties made up actual Neo Nazis that can actually win seats in places such as Greece or run by Authoritarians like Hungary.
Mune wrote: | This could be the best thing for Nintendo. They could reposition their prices, taking a loss to appease their customers. |
They already did this with the 3DS. And this was on top of the losses they took with the Wii U and GameCube flopping.
db999 wrote: | I’ve never heard of Skull and Bones, and I do keep up with video game news pretty frequently, and Star Wars Outlaws failed because it just didn’t look good. I mean people are completely ignoring the real reason why those games are bad so they can keep making the same lazy and untrue arguments over and over again. |
You say it didn’t look good. Which essentially means you didn’t play it and then argue people ignore the reasons for why a game may be no good (which can usually be subjective rather than objective).
You can have a game that visually and aesthetically looks cheap or just plain ugly only thing that’s going to matter is the gameplay in addition how functional it is.
Dr. Wily wrote: | I would love if we lived in a world where CEOs just decided to forgo profits because they're all such swell guys, but that ain't the world we live in. |
Do you mean profits or salaries because as much as I hear people bemoan video game publishers being particular about video games making money the unfortunate reality is to make a video game you have to spend money and in turn that game has to make back it’s money no different than any movie. Whereas a lot of these people running these companies are usually making considerable sums of money to make decisions that may inevitably setup these companies for failure or losses which they in some cases will be insulated against whereas their employees aren’t.
Now we can debate on the idea of spending the massive amounts of money most major games do along with the necessity of microtransactions.
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