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Rob19ny
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Darn it Korosuke. This was not the time to start acting up again. I wish the staff the best during this time.
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Matros
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:02 pm
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Every messy production keeps blaming corona, good ol Aniplex excuse. Not that it couldn't have an impact. But let's not pretend the production would be fine without it.
Everyone else adapted and you had more than enough time to delay it by a season or two, after 3 years you should account for it, but some committees never learn.
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garfield15
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:08 pm
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Why is Aniplex just so consistently mismanaging shows?
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WANNFH
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:51 pm
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| garfield15 wrote: | | Why is Aniplex just so consistently mismanaging shows? |
They just do the same exact thing as Kadokawa - putting too much demand and struggle on their owned sweatshops with multiple shows (like really, A-1/Cloverworks suppose to run nearly as much of the series as MAPPA while having twice less manpower, and some of them limited to work for exact franchises like SAO) while giving them unreasonable deadline limits, and considering a lot of outsourcing go to Chinese studios which also getting constantly hit by COVID now - it also kicks in.
It's just the whole pile of issues that stacks over and over again that basically crumble the trust in the whole model of production committees - but because it's nearly always the biggest players on the market doing it, it seems like these people never learn from past mistakes.
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residentgrigo
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:06 pm
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The anime getting Covid is the Yoko Taro twist that had to come sooner or later. Most of his games feature a virus or two.
Both Aniplex shows are now on a break but Covid can very well be the real reason. Cases are spiking in Japan since December and tons of things are getting put on hold now. Comiket 101 was lucky to have been allowed to occur. Expect a few other productions, and not just anime, to fall on their knees soon-ish.
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Meongantuk
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:52 pm
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It's already slowing down this week, but considering new year, wouldn't be surprised there'll be another spike, and it's still above 50k per day. Last month had record breaking death count too despite milder symptoms and vaccination. As much as people love memeing Covid nowadays, it's still very much a threat.
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TheSleepyMonkey
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:24 pm
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Well, what a surprise.... not. You could already tell how this production was in deep trouble just by looking at the credits, and seeing how many freelance Twitter animators were needed just to finish the episode.
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Vanadise
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:30 pm
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| Matros wrote: | | Every messy production keeps blaming corona, good ol Aniplex excuse. Not that it couldn't have an impact. But let's not pretend the production would be fine without it. |
The COVID-19 death rate in Japan right now is the highest it's ever been, and they're just starting to come down from the second-highest peak of infection rates. The pandemic is still ongoing, even if people want to pretend it's not.
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fathomlessblue
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:32 pm
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These article headlines really ought to be putting "covid" in quotations at this point. Without them it gives these statements too much of a sense of stamped authenticity on behalf of the companies issuing them, ignoring what the general consensus of industry professionals looking into the current production climate, or indeed, leaks coming of the studios, every single time this blanket excuse is given.
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fathomlessblue
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:47 pm
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| Vanadise wrote: |
| Matros wrote: | | Every messy production keeps blaming corona, good ol Aniplex excuse. Not that it couldn't have an impact. But let's not pretend the production would be fine without it. |
The COVID-19 death rate in Japan right now is the highest it's ever been, and they're just starting to come down from the second-highest peak of infection rates. The pandemic is still ongoing, even if people want to pretend it's not. |
That's very true, but the blanket covid excuse has preceded this spike for some time, and often includes shows rife with rumours & leaks concerning major production mismanagement prior to even airing. Hell, last season we had Witch from Mercury & Isekai Uncle pulling this very card. Nier is just the most recent example.
Perhaps covid is playing its part, but if you're attempting a show with such detailed character work as a friggin' Nier adaptation and you can't even make it to the fourth episode, that's clearly a sign that there are far bigger issues going on with the production than solely blaming the pandemic. At the very least it reveals the production has such a razor-thin margin for error even during its earliest phase to account for any form of (to be expected) setback. That really shouldn't happen unless you're already incredibly far behind by the time the show starts airing. In a ghoulish sense, covid has made for a wonderful cover for these companies to deflect from bigger structural issues occurring that would cast a poor light on their managerial practices. The higher ups can always save face when their failings are attributed to 'acts of god'. I'm glad to see many people aren't falling for it.
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bagman
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:16 pm
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| fathomlessblue wrote: |
| Vanadise wrote: |
| Matros wrote: | | Every messy production keeps blaming corona, good ol Aniplex excuse. Not that it couldn't have an impact. But let's not pretend the production would be fine without it. |
The COVID-19 death rate in Japan right now is the highest it's ever been, and they're just starting to come down from the second-highest peak of infection rates. The pandemic is still ongoing, even if people want to pretend it's not. |
That's very true, but the blanket covid excuse has preceded this spike for some time, and often includes shows rife with rumours & leaks concerning major production mismanagement prior to even airing. Hell, last season we had Witch from Mercury & Isekai Uncle pulling this very card. Nier is just the most recent example.
Perhaps covid is playing its part, but if you're attempting a show with such detailed character work as a friggin' Nier adaptation and you can't even make it to the fourth episode, that's clearly a sign that there are far bigger issues going on with the production than solely blaming the pandemic. At the very least it reveals the production has such a razor-thin margin for error even during its earliest phase to account for any form of (to be expected) setback. That really shouldn't happen unless you're already incredibly far behind by the time the show starts airing. In a ghoulish sense, covid has made for a wonderful cover for these companies to deflect from bigger structural issues occurring that would cast a poor light on their managerial practices. The higher ups can always save face when their failings are attributed to 'acts of god'. I'm glad to see many people aren't falling for it. |
Yup, i'm sympathetic to productions genuinely having to shut down due to illness or death, but for such a prestige show, announced a full year ago to not even have episode 4 ready to air is ridiculous
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hoatuy
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:18 pm
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| fathomlessblue wrote: |
| Vanadise wrote: |
| Matros wrote: | | Every messy production keeps blaming corona, good ol Aniplex excuse. Not that it couldn't have an impact. But let's not pretend the production would be fine without it. |
The COVID-19 death rate in Japan right now is the highest it's ever been, and they're just starting to come down from the second-highest peak of infection rates. The pandemic is still ongoing, even if people want to pretend it's not. |
That's very true, but the blanket covid excuse has preceded this spike for some time, and often includes shows rife with rumours & leaks concerning major production mismanagement prior to even airing. Hell, last season we had Witch from Mercury & Isekai Uncle pulling this very card. Nier is just the most recent example.
Perhaps covid is playing its part, but if you're attempting a show with such detailed character work as a friggin' Nier adaptation and you can't even make it to the fourth episode, that's clearly a sign that there are far bigger issues going on with the production than solely blaming the pandemic. At the very least it reveals the production has such a razor-thin margin for error even during its earliest phase to account for any form of (to be expected) setback. That really shouldn't happen unless you're already incredibly far behind by the time the show starts airing. In a ghoulish sense, covid has made for a wonderful cover for these companies to deflect from bigger structural issues occurring that would cast a poor light on their managerial practices. The higher ups can always save face when their failings are attributed to 'acts of god'. I'm glad to see many people aren't falling for it. |
For Gundam, only the last ep was affected by covid-19, and it only affected streaming service in japan, TV boardcasting and worldwide streaming were air on time.
2/3 of the delay is because of tv special program and new year broadcast
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ChibiGoku
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:39 pm
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For Gundam, only the last ep was affected by covid-19, and it only affected streaming service in japan, TV boardcasting and worldwide streaming were air on time.
2/3 of the delay is because of tv special program and new year broadcast |
The entire first cour run of Gundam was in a constant state of panic. Even if you want to take what was said as face value from people who've talked about it online, two episodes were delayed during the run of the show (recap that occurred between two episodes and the final episode) and the credits make it very, very clear the show was in a constant state of panic, given the sheer amount of Animation Directors, Key Animators, 2nd Key Animators, and uncredited animators hidden by studio names in associated credits. The show was not in a good place at all for the production of it. Not only that, none of the overlays were translated in the show (outside of Episode titles) during the simulcast, making me suspect Crunchyroll got finalized masters last minute.
Gundam and so many other anime are NOT in a good place, production wise. Networks are thankfully being a lot more lenient with these issues since COVID, given this is the kinda stuff that would get a show cancelled, but this highlights a greater issue going on in Japan for the animation industry. This is both a COVID issue, as it is a production management issue, where the studios are taking on too many projects and not enough staff and time to produce said shows. Things need to change and they needed to change a long time ago. It SHOULD'VE changed when COVID hit, but instead, I'd argue things got worse.
I'm less worried about the shows being delayed and more the fact these productions are taking a toll on the people working on them. Something has to give.
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WANNFH
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:03 pm
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| fathomlessblue wrote: | | That's very true, but the blanket covid excuse has preceded this spike for some time, and often includes shows rife with rumours & leaks concerning major production mismanagement prior to even airing. Hell, last season we had Witch from Mercury & Isekai Uncle pulling this very card. Nier is just the most recent example.
Perhaps covid is playing its part, but if you're attempting a show with such detailed character work as a friggin' Nier adaptation and you can't even make it to the fourth episode, that's clearly a sign that there are far bigger issues going on with the production than solely blaming the pandemic. At the very least it reveals the production has such a razor-thin margin for error even during its earliest phase to account for any form of (to be expected) setback. That really shouldn't happen unless you're already incredibly far behind by the time the show starts airing. In a ghoulish sense, covid has made for a wonderful cover for these companies to deflect from bigger structural issues occurring that would cast a poor light on their managerial practices. The higher ups can always save face when their failings are attributed to 'acts of god'. I'm glad to see many people aren't falling for it. |
Many people would have bought this trick if it hadn't been repeated too many times by Aniplex, especially given that the NieR adaptation was brought by the core team of 86 - which also had the quite a rollercoaster of production to the point that they delayed its last episodes for nearly three months after running the actual show.
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hoatuy
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:32 pm
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| ChibiGoku wrote: |
| hoatuy wrote: | |
For Gundam, only the last ep was affected by covid-19, and it only affected streaming service in japan, TV boardcasting and worldwide streaming were air on time.
2/3 of the delay is because of tv special program and new year broadcast |
The entire first cour run of Gundam was in a constant state of panic. Even if you want to take what was said as face value from people who've talked about it online, two episodes were delayed during the run of the show (recap that occurred between two episodes and the final episode) and the credits make it very, very clear the show was in a constant state of panic, given the sheer amount of Animation Directors, Key Animators, 2nd Key Animators, and uncredited animators hidden by studio names in associated credits. The show was not in a good place at all for the production of it. Not only that, none of the overlays were translated in the show (outside of Episode titles) during the simulcast, making me suspect Crunchyroll got finalized masters last minute.
Gundam and so many other anime are NOT in a good place, production wise. Networks are thankfully being a lot more lenient with these issues since COVID, given this is the kinda stuff that would get a show cancelled, but this highlights a greater issue going on in Japan for the animation industry. This is both a COVID issue, as it is a production management issue, where the studios are taking on too many projects and not enough staff and time to produce said shows. Things need to change and they needed to change a long time ago. It SHOULD'VE changed when COVID hit, but instead, I'd argue things got worse.
I'm less worried about the shows being delayed and more the fact these productions are taking a toll on the people working on them. Something has to give. |
Except only ep 7 was delayed because of it. Other delay happened because TV special program and new year. The last ep was not delayed for TV broadcasting and oversea streaming since it still aired on time.
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