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abunai
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No, it's "Test Of English as a Foreign Language". These test results are indicative of the scores for citizens of those (predominantly English-speaking) countries who do not have English as a first language. A native English-speaker would never need to take this test in the first place.
It's OK. Honestly, though, it surprises me. I don't consider the average Dane particularly skilled in English. - abunai |
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Milk
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Of course not .That's why I said it was one of those extremists' ideas. Most of them actually don't believe it and I didn't say ALL THE IMFORMATION was wrong but there were some problems with the system. I guess maybe there would be some people who put credits from seeing those fansubs or downloaded anime and they only saw Korean names.
Yes, you are right, our education system has some problems. But our idea before was if ANN had devoted to anime we had expected that there would be at least someone who was fluent in Japanese and would know about the whole otaku culture thing in Japan(or at least read Japanese books about the industry or what's behind it) . And also I almost never have seen(but few) oversea otakus visit Japanese anime board as well. If the someone knew what's important when anime was made or what those animeters really do he would never have put names in alphabetical order in the first place I guess(or only just because it was easier?). Most Japanese people don't study English seriously because it doesn't mean they can have better lives even if they study hard or understand English. Since most of them don't want to leave the country they can live without speaking English whole their lives. Most of them are content with being in Japan and speaking only Japanese(maybe that's why there are not so many Japanese immigrants) . Since Japan has all the information about anime and manga, or the amount of books written by those creatars they don't really need to bother English anime sites except someone like me who study English or curious about oversea anime fans( what they are talking about). But if we find something is not correct or giving wrong information we must point it out.
Wao-san, we really appreciate what you have done for us and sorry that we put you in the situation. I knew you were not taking side of neither of us but wanted to make the situation better and easier for both sides you just represented what Japanese otakus are thinking(and their demand) and tried to make ANN staff understand the whole situation . Your Japanese really surprised us because you were very fluent in the language and no wonder you had the knowledge because you could collect the information from Japanese sites. You also have the Japanese otaku point of view, thank you. If it takes time to change the system we only demad put the warning "The information here may not be completely reliable" for now. |
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Tempest
 I Run this place.ANN Publisher  Posts: 10441 Location: Do not message me for support. |
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I hope this is a result of your not quite fluent English. But no one is in any position to demand anything. We will do what we feel is best for the encyclopedia when we are prepared to do it. As it stands, we happen to agree with you that it is a good idea to include that disclaimer (as I said, I've intended it for a long time). This is why we will be doing it, not because someone "demands" it. Again, I'm not sure if this is merely due to the language barrier, but the term "demand" is very aggressive in English and generally rather rude . Use it with care. Anyways, all the changes Dan and I have discussed will be made. However Dan is currently working on another project, so most of the changes could take a few months. Regards, -t |
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Milk
Posts: 32 Location: East |
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Sorry, if I used strong word and it sounded very rude to you I should have used "suggest" or" request" instead of "demand" I think.... Since they want to see the result (I know they are inpatient) at least some of them will be quiet if they see the warning. Thank you. |
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wao
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Yes, I'll chip in once again and repeat the same thing - Milk's point is awfully true. I'll be direct here - if you don't add in a disclaimer now (since this issue's been going on for quite some time as it is), the longer you take, the worse it will be for you guys. If you think their demands and constant complaints have been annoying, taking any longer will certainly not make it any better (that is assuming you want to do something about it.)
Please think of it as a compromise: it's a sign that yes, you've understood some of their requests and have taken them into serious consideration and you agree with them on some points. Otherwise they have no way of knowing whether you're really going to follow up with your words. Needless to say that while we, or at least I, trust that the staff will make the necessary changes in due time, the same cannot be said for them (and it is a futile attempt to change that at this point of time, especially if this is going to continue.) I think the serious people are willing to wait for Dan42 to make the necessary changes when he can if it's truly time he needs. But in return, I should think they expect a disclaimer to be put there meanwhile. Unless, of course, putting a disclaimer is an extremely tedious and difficult thing, in which case this should have been mentioned earlier. Of course this is all ultimately up to whether you all have the drive to add in the disclaimer now or not. If you don't want to do it now - although you can (correct me if I'm wrong here), nobody can "demand" you to or force you to do anything. So it'll just stay that way. But at the risk of sounding preachy, for which I apologize (I don't know how to put it across very well), I hope you keep in mind that in the eyes of the Japanese watchers (and perhaps some others), this does not reflect very well on the enthusiasm of the concerned parties in a. resolving the tension between the two parties and b. being more reliable (yes, I believe putting a disclaimer helps in that regard.) I apologize if I sound a little harsh, uppity or unreasonable here, and if you are already aware of this particular sentiment then forgive me for restating the obvious, but I felt obliged to highlight and stress the importance of this matter once more. And yes, I am quite aware that I sound very demanding. But I would really like to see the site I have had spent so much time submitting information to, to not get shot down so much due to inaction which in this specific case can be easily fixed (unless it's not easy, again, I'm assuming it is since there has been no indication otherwise) Well, at least you won't hear me barging in here and being annoying until next Wednesday or so, because I have midterms and I am in really dire straits, so I will take a break from here. Not that it really matters, since if people are going to go dragging in TOEFL scores and changing the topic then there's probably no use in me spending ti- oops, I didn't say that. 長文ｽﾏﾝ I would try to say what I have in (broken but hopefully understandable) Japanese so that there's less work for the hardworking translators, but it takes me hours to write in Japanese so I'm afraid I can't do that this time. Offtopic postscript: I know proxies can't post on 2ch, but I don't use a proxy - doesn't matter though, it's probably better that I can't post there. |
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Dan42
Chief Encyclopedist
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An update on this matter: I have just now added the disclaimer. It took longer than it really should have because Tokyo Anime Fair came up and distracted me and I forgot about this issue a little...
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wao
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Thank you so much. It really helps matters. Really.
Just one nitpick for now: you couldn't possibly put it at the top of the page rather than right at the bottom where most people aren't going to see it, could you...? Although I have pretty much no design sense, so if this really irks you then never mind. |
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Dan42
Chief Encyclopedist
Posts: 3786 Location: Montreal |
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It's pretty much standard practice to put the disclaimer link at the bottom of the page. wikipedia does it that way too. And I wanted to put it together with the error button since they make a logical entity ("there may be errors" + "fix those errors")
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gyokai
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We have been waiting for your upgrading of the database, which was expected to take a few months to accomplish, but could you let us know what sort of progress has been made on this end? It's fine if you don't want to leak any internal details, but I would like to know how far things have advanced.
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doc-watson42
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While it's not the database, within the last couple of months the Encyclopedia's search engine has been upgraded to cover companies and the Lexicon, as well as handle kanji/kana.
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Dan42
Chief Encyclopedist
Posts: 3786 Location: Montreal |
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It took longer than I had hoped and maybe my original "summer" estimate was wishful thinking on my part. After all, programmers are notorious for being over-optimistic about schedules.
The core of the new system is mostly done but various things (system crashes, urgent features, urgent bugfixes, urgent maintenance, etc) have kept me from putting on the finishing touches. I am currently working on a feature that we should (re)launch in 1-3 weeks and I expect to reveal our new accuracy-improving subsystem about 1 week after that. At first it will be in a sort of beta-testing mode with limited reach. During that time I will monitor the system and measure its performance so that I can gradually improve it and extend its reach to all aspects of the Encyclopedia. |
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
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Could it be greenlinks from Encyc to news that went offline ever since last December? |
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nihon
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The most updated version is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Japan/Film_credits_glossary |
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
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Coincidentally enough I found that page when googling yesterday (as I can never remember the URL and I needed it for reference).
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