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dtm42
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They aren't desperate people fleeing war. If they were then they'd gratefully settle in the first peaceful country they get to who would accept their application. But these people aren't doing that; they insist on bypassing Hungary and Italy and Turkey and instead try to make their way to Germany or Britain. And all those boat people in South-East Asia want to go to Australia despite passing over a dozen peaceful countries along the journey. They're not desperate, they're picky. |
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DmonHiro
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If they really were feeling war, they wouldn't be complaining about having to share living spaces, or demanding to be placed in certain countries, would they? |
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Chrysostomus
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Seska1973
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Buddhism Monks? |
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whiskeyii
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Well. That got ugly quick.
I don't think there's anything unusual about sending over young men, nor with folks having phones. Think about how ubiquitous phone use is nowadays; you can use it to get alerts, news, maps, weather info--all things refugees would be in need of. (And if we're being honest, if I were an Arabic person, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be placed in a country with a history of Islamophobia.) Moreover, young men have no responsibilities; no children they are directly responsible for (since that usually falls to young women). They are fit and able to contribute to the economy of the country that receives them, and as far as I can tell, that more or less fits countless stories I've heard from my own (Chinese) family about sending over one person--a man--to do hard labor and earn enough to bring his family--and extended family--over. Nothing about this screams "world takeover"; it just mirrors a repeated trend in immigration that's been done hundreds of times over since the last century. |
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meruru
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I don't know, would they? It's not like I've ever personally experienced fleeing war that I would know what a person is likely to do. |
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SilverTalon01
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Exactly. There are plenty of safe countries with supposed refugees passing by not wanting to stay there which means those people have to be motivated by something else. I don't doubt there are legitimate refugees, but it isn't 100% of them.
I wouldn't bother. Facts and logic don't work with hard core religious zealots. Samuelp was approaching things logically and academically which made going back and forth with him worth it.
The problem is that doesn't make you a refugee. That makes you an economic migrant. From wikipedia: "An economic migrant is someone who emigrates from one region to another to seek an improvement in living standards because the living conditions or job opportunities in the migrant's own region do not satisfy expectations.[1][2] Economic migrants who work outside their home country are termed migrant workers by the United Nations." That is what you are describing, and that in itself isn't a problem. The problem comes from the fact that being an economic migrant doesn't mean that the host country foots the accommodations. Qualifying as a refugee usually does and should. Economic migrants are pretending to be refugees to exploit the system. For comparison, read here is what wikipedia says is a refugee according tot he geneva convention on refugees in the first paragraph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee Notice how absolutely nothing in there has anything to do with economic situation? Last edited by SilverTalon01 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:05 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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Hoppy800
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Offensive: Not really, a lot of it as it is true for a large percentage of the refugees that are in Europe but not so much the US.
I'm not for Syrian refugees coming in the country, because of the heavy security risks, ISIS or Hamas can place agents in with refugees and they can kill thousands, it's a different time with a desperate enemy who will stop at nothing to destroy the West and not like the 90's where it is safer to let them in (example: refugees from Somalia that are currently living in the US). I'm a better safe than sorry person when it comes to the safety of my country. |
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leesahlynn
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By the EU's own numbers, only 1 in 5 of the "refugees" is actually from Syria, and by the UN's 70% are male.
When you're fleeing war to become a refugee, you don't leave your family behind and send the strongest male. You take everything and everyone you can carry with you and you go. You do have to apply for refugee status you know, a single male trying to get a job isn't a refugee no matter what definition you go by. A whole family with all their life's possessions and nowhere to go are refugees (who are legally unable to work in the country they've fled to for a certain period of time after arriving, so it makes even less sense to send a single male over). Some of the migrants are now making comments to newspapers about how they wish they had never left Syria/etc because they had much better than a little bed in a gym back in Syria, they're being treated so poorly in Europe boo hoo, to which I say go right ahead nobody's gonna stop you. There's nothing wrong with accepting refugees, but completely opening your borders to any third world minority who feels like moving in is not accepting refugees. Germany is so overwhelmed they're evicting citizens to use their homes for migrant housing, they just passed a law saying the government has the right to seize commercial property to use as migrant housing. Just wait until it's winter. Merkel had absolutely no plan when she opened the borders and she has absolutely no plan now. If anyone should be blamed for all the people left to die by the human traffickers they paid to smuggle them into the EU, it's her. |
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Hameyadea
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While there are genuine refugees out there among those people, there are also those who are "riding the wave" by claiming to be refugees, while in reality there are economic immigrants. Going from Syria (and let's assume that all those who claim to be Syrian really are) and ending up in Germany, Sweden, Norway, the U.K., or even as far as the U.S., isn't "escaping war," but seeking a better life style.
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Utsuro no Hako
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I don't want to throw blame on one side. I want to point out the hypocrisy of bringing up every nasty thing Muslims have ever done while ignoring 90% of European history which includes the exact same things, often on a larger scale. You can't claim that European society is more enlightened when we have the freakin' Holocaust still within living memory. Oh, and you should bring yourself up to date on modern scholarship on religious conversion in areas under Muslim conquest. |
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Veniamin
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It's fact. Nothing to do with Racism, why is it that every country is bringing more and more and more refugees and helping them, but never stopping and thinking "Hmm, what about the war in Syria? How should we ALSO end it and rebuild a stable home for them again?" What's happening now, which is being praised is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE Bringing them in doesn't solve anything. The war is still happening, you are just prolonging the inevitable when SOME and I mean SOME, play wolf-in-sheep's clothing and successfully invade thus expanding the threat and problem even more. Everyone has their thumbs in their asses or feeling "offended" nowadays. Think about it, it's fine to help them feel safe, but you ALSO have to help stop the war. Ignoring the problem does not solve it. |
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BassKuroi
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WTF is wrong with this forum??
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Ojamajo LimePie
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Germany is accepting applications; the closer countries aren't. |
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otagirl
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It seems people are not blind apologists of political-correctness. While many a privileged westerner might feel the world should be all sugar and rainbows, the reality is quite different, and we common folks know it. |
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