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Poll: What do you think of Moe?


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ZaWarudo



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:52 pm Reply with quote
Richard J. wrote:
I'm going to be honest and say I love moe so that's how I voted. Cute, vulnerable, innocent characters are my favorites and, if they're little girls or mature women, it really doesn't matter to me. Although, the be honest, given the rather broad definitions people use, I was tempted to choose "what is moe?"

The way I've viewed it is characters who are unusually cute, emotionally vulnerable, or innocent than other characters. Usually such characters are also very young but I don't think that's a necessary component.

Personally, I'm just going to ignore the lolicon issue since I've posted my thoughts on that in previous threads. Let's just focus on moe for now.


I enjoy characters that are moe, although overly moe, or characters that were obviously designed merely to elicit moe reactions annoy me. Actually I tend to prefer tsundere.

BTW, what is your avatar from? It looks damn familiar.
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jetz



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:03 pm Reply with quote
I guess it's alright. I don't always like cutesy girls, cause sometimes they tend to be irritating. Their actions are so repetitive and expected, so it's not that exciting anymore.
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Riyousha



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:16 pm Reply with quote
I vote The concept of moe disturbs me, but I respect the rights of others to enjoy what they like, even though it disturbs me; because I usually don't like things Kawaii and I find the fetish for cute characters to be wierd. But just because I don't like it doesn't mean I don't apperciate that people here love this stuff. And that really frightens me.
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penguintruth



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:37 pm Reply with quote
I don't mind moe characters in a show that isn't really "moe-oriented", but overtly moe shows and moe elements usually annoy me, unless used for comedic effect.
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Richard J.



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:52 pm Reply with quote
ZaWarudo wrote:
I enjoy characters that are moe, although overly moe, or characters that were obviously designed merely to elicit moe reactions annoy me. Actually I tend to prefer tsundere.
I don't actually mind if the character is like that solely as a form of "fan service." Personally, I kind of appreciate mild fan pandering like that. At least it shows that someone cares about what we like right?

Tsundere characters are my second vice. Wink

Moe gets me more due to my "white knight" complex.

ZaWarudo wrote:
BTW, what is your avatar from? It looks damn familiar.
It's a secret. Anime catgrin

I like to see if anyone's willing to admit to knowing the source material of my avatars as so far I've been taking them from less-than-worksafe manga.

My sense of humor is, admitedly, both quirky and twisted.
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Kaioshin_Sama



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:54 pm Reply with quote
ZaWarudo wrote:
If you guys are going to go on an anti-pedo crusade you'll need to enlist the help of Backbeard and Backbeard-tan.



What's the story behind this Backbeard-Tan anyway. I see her posted a lot, but can never find any information as to what started the whole Backbeard-Tan thing. I know of the European monster legend, but not about who created Backbeard-Tan and why she's popular to post images of.
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Furudanuki



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:03 pm Reply with quote
Lots of people seem to have the erroneous impression that moe equates to "cute". Cute is indeed a common moe property (moe property refers to something about a character that might trigger a viewer's moe feelings), but it is a long, long way from being the only one. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and moe is in the heart of the person who experiences it - your moe may not be my moe. And moe characters can be found in every genre of anime under the sun, not just in series that showcase multiple characters with popular moe properties.

ZaWarudo wrote:
I enjoy characters that are moe, although overly moe, or characters that were obviously designed merely to elicit moe reactions annoy me. Actually I tend to prefer tsundere.
Tsundere is a very popular moe property - that's why you see so many of them. Smile
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ZaWarudo



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:15 pm Reply with quote
Richard J. wrote:

ZaWarudo wrote:
BTW, what is your avatar from? It looks damn familiar.
It's a secret. Anime catgrin

I like to see if anyone's willing to admit to knowing the source material of my avatars as so far I've been taking them from less-than-worksafe manga.

My sense of humor is, admitedly, both quirky and twisted.


Well hey, you're talking to a guy whose avatar is of a little girl who has horrible things happen to her.

You were the one with a Mizui Kaou avatar, right? I love his stuff.

Kaioshin_Sama wrote:
ZaWarudo wrote:
If you guys are going to go on an anti-pedo crusade you'll need to enlist the help of Backbeard and Backbeard-tan.

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What's the story behind this Backbeard-Tan anyway. I see her posted a lot, but can never find any information as to what started the whole Backbeard-Tan thing. I know of the European monster legend, but not about who created Backbeard-Tan and why she's popular to post images of.


Backbeard is a meme from the Japanese Futaba image boards. It originally started as the floating eye with an anti-pedophile bent, who likes to say "you damn pedophiles!" Someone with a sense of irony created, as is often done in Japan, an overly cute -tan character out of Backbeard. So now you have a loli who likes to say "you damn pedophile."
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Jamee



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:00 pm Reply with quote
I voted for "I don't like moe but respect the right of others to like it." Personally the reason I dislike moe is not just that it sometimes becomes loli: it's because the female characters are often so weak! I like strong heroines, not weak little girls who have to be protected. I've noticed that even if a moe character is physically strong, like in Gunslinger Girl or Elfin Lied, she will end up being so emotionally weak that she can barely function. I like heroines who can take care of themselves and stand on their own two feet, and that seems to be the antithesis of moe.
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Blackcat8610



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:14 pm Reply with quote
For me, really, the only thing I'm concerned with is if there's a storyline and or some characters that I can enjoy. I don't get the point of some girl (be she 30 and look 10, or actually be 10) getting who cares what done to her. Just like I don't want to go and protect a character. I prefer seeing them handle the situation, or some, much stronger, love-interest protect them. (Depending if it's shounen/shojo or a guy/girl character or whatever else they wish to throw in.) I feel for them, but if I was a character right along with them, I'd be the annoying one, not sure just what the heck I could do, and just trying to make them feel better. But maybe I'm just weird like that... and beside, it's not like I can pin down a definition for moe, or lolicon really. It's way too wide of a river for me to wade into, I'd just end up drowning. -_-;;
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Richard J.



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:22 pm Reply with quote
ZaWarudo wrote:
You were the one with a Mizui Kaou avatar, right? I love his stuff.
That was me, yes. The source was identified, I think by you actually, so that's why I switched; to let the game begin anew. (That and this avatar came out WAY better than the previous one.)

It's always struck me as both fascinating and a tad sad that some of my favorite artists only seem to draw hentai of one variety or another. Not that I think there's anything wrong with that, but it does make it rather difficult to say "hey, check out this guy's work. Don't you just love the simple, yet engaging character designs!" to someone who has a stricter view of such materials, especially in regards to lolicon hentai.

One thing that is nice about moe is that you can show someone something like Strawberry Marshmallow without feeling like you'll automatically be labeled a perverted freak. You might be anyway, but it's not a given like with various hentai or even Yuri or Yaoi stories that don't have graphic sex.

I've seen something from just about every genre known to anime fandom at this point, with the exception of Yaoi, so I've got a fairly open mind about everything. I don't judge graphical fiction on a different moral scale than any other fiction, so nothing particularly bothers me about any genre. (Plus, I judge hentai on a completely different scale from non-hentai since hentai is generally more concerned with sex than story.)

Moe I like most because of the postive emotions the characters evoke from me, like wanting to rescue them from their bad situations or just give them a hug. As I stated before, I very much want to play the role of the hero, so characters that need help appeal to me. The art styles are typically cute which I like. I also like the variety of stories that can effectively use a moe character as a lead.

I think everything I wrote made sense. Confused
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DKL



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:48 am Reply with quote
Hey... I've been wondering for quite some time now...

How am I supposed to look at Junichi Sato's stuff?

I sorta don't think it's moe... but at the same time, I sorta think it's moe (but I'm leaning towards not moe)...

...

Yeah, I'm not sure, so I'll just make it so that I'll let people decide for me.

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As for this:

Moe is pretty awesome...

Seriously... you could improve the quality of your production (superficially) by allowing people to latch onto your characters easily through the use of this powerful (and arguably genius) tool... also, in a lot of cases, it's easier to buy sympathy with them huge-ass peepers and pre-conceived assumptions of vulnerability.

(or something like that)

Yeah... I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't like Shana if it was about middle-aged men...

...

Or would I?
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Cloe
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:08 am Reply with quote
DKL wrote:
Yeah... I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't like Shana if it was about middle-aged men...

...

Or would I?

You might. If I remember correctly, you're the big Monster expert around here, and that show is filled to the brim with middle-aged men. Although, arguably, I don't know how anime fandom would have reacted to a Tenma panty shot. Wink
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Fiction Alchemist



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:21 am Reply with quote
Ugh. Deleted. Ugh.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:53 am Reply with quote
Malintex Terek wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, 'lolicon' is just the second step toward the end result of a child rape or murder.

So is GTA the second step toward the end result of theft and murder?

Malintex Terek wrote:
if the wrong person gets the right exposure, there will be trouble.

So what would you do about that? In the wider situation, you're going to have to either ban all visual or written depictions of anything, or put everyone in prison just in case. I'm sorry to say that you don't really understand the concept of a free society. A free society isn't and can never be safe. The safest society is a police state where everyone's thoughts and actions are monitored 24/7, then if anything untoward shows up they can be instantly imprisoned or executed. That's why it's safe to walk the streets alone at night in Cuba. In granting ourselves freedoms we give up a certain amount of safety, the object of the excercise being to achieve a reasonable tradeoff.

Malintex Terek wrote:
On an offhand note, the first step is "moe".

Actually, moe is a step in the opposite direction.
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