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mdo7
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I can give you links if you want to know more, but I've been studying the 2 music markets for both Japan and Korea. I see major differences when it comes to marketing, sales, and how they react to globalization. But I can tell you this, Japan doesn't really embrace the internet unlike Korea (which is the reason why K-pop got popular outside of Asia) and Taiwan (which could probably replicate K-pop success if Taiwanese pop ever get popular outside of Asia). I mention in my previous post that Taiwan is catching up to their Korean counterpart in IT. Japan doesn't look like they want to get themselves involve into IT tech which would require making internet a big thing. That's why there's not a lot of wi-fi hotspots in Japan. However Japan is increasing wi-fi for tourist only and not for local resident. Meanwhile in Korea and Taiwan: Free wi-fi now offered in public area in Korea Travelling to Taiwan? Free public Wi-Fi launched in Taipei Taiwan offers free Wi-Fi to all foreign tourists So that's why Korea and Taiwan are "wired", Japan not quite "wired". |
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omoikane
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... and all of this actually supports my statements. So I still don't understand by what you mean "If that was true then Japan's digital music sales would've been up already like on the same level as Korea and Taiwan's digital music sales." |
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mdo7
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Read this ANN article from a week ago. Do you see Taiwan and Korea implementing this law like Japan did when it comes to music download? No, I never seen this draconian law in Korea or Taiwan, and it would be unacceptable if Korea and Taiwan made this law for their music industry since both countries embraced the digital music market. If Japan didn't implement this law and also if Japan had increase R&D into IT/ICT like Korea and Taiwan did, it might have help Japan open up and embracing digital music market, which major Japanese labels didn't really support. Japan rely on physical sales and collectors to make money, not taking the digital music application like Itunes, Google Play, etc... to help sell music. They didn't and look what happen, digital sales in Japan never matched with the Korean and Taiwanese counterpart. As Answerman said, Japanese labels seem to ignore the internet that include Itunes, and other legal music download app, they don't want music on Itunes, Japanese music labels don't embrace it the same way US, Korea, and Taiwan does. That's why digital sales are down in Japan when Korea and Taiwan digital sales are up and surpass Japan. Why?? It's because Taiwan and Korea embrace IT and embracing IT leads to embracing digital music market. Don't forget that CDs in Japan are expensive so people would have to buy that music by cheaper mean, so digital like MP3 and Itunes are cheaper then physical CDs, so that's why people buy their song digital rather then buying the CDs because it's cheaper. But seeing how major Japanese labels don't want to use Itunes to distribute because it'll hurt their sales (according to their logic). If Japan had embrace Itunes the same way Korea, Taiwan, and US embrace Itunes, then Japan's digital music sales would've already been on the same level as US, Taiwan, and Korea. |
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Alan45
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@mdo7
You keep telling us what Japan is doing wrong and what Japan should do to fix this. Since you have stated you are not talking about the government, I assume you mean the Japanese entertainment industry as a whole when you say "Japan". Unfortunately there are a couple of problems with this. The Japanese entertainment industry is not run by a single individual or even a small group of individuals that could decide to make these changes and actually enforce those decisions. What you have is an industry run but dozens, and at the talent level hundreds of people. Each of those people are making decisions on what they think is best for them, their company or their talent. Being human they make those decisions mostly well within their comfort zone. They are unlikely to change as long as they are making money or think they may make money. The second problem is that none of them are listening to you. I am sure some of those decision makers are aware of ANN. However I would say that it is highly unlikely that any are reading the forums here. The possibility that one would be reading this thread for advice on how to run his business is nil. As to your advice, you may be right or you may be wrong, it doesn't matter. If you argue with us long enough you may convince several forum members, though you haven't had much luck at that so far. However, nothing you say here will have any impact on the Japanese entertainment industry. All your posts on the subject are a complete exercise in futility. (As is this post but for different reasons) You really should find something else to soapbox about. |
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mdo7
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Well I seen other people using Japan to refer to their entertainment companies, govt, etc.. Shouldn't you criticize other people too for that.
True, but the problem is that most of Japan's entertainment industry have never try to go global or expand outside of Japan. As I mention, Japan (in most field) seem to fear and not embrace the internet the same way most of the world do. They have to realize their local market is not going to keep them sustained forever.
I don't expect them too. I'll wait until a crisis in Japan's entertainment industry happen and it'll sort of benefit us international fans of anime/manga and J-pop culture aficionados if a crisis happen (which I think it will at some point). That's where Japan will take international market seriously. Maybe another competition from another Asian country like Taiwan who BTW, has already catch up to their Korean counterpart in IT and probably going to catch up to pop music, that would kind of wake up (and motivate) Japan to start exporting and globalizing their music outside of Japan & beyond. I mean Japan is not like itself back in early 2000's when it comes to cultural export. But at some point, Japan will have to start globalizing their product because: 1. local market is not going to help sustain the industry market. They can earn more money from overseas, I already mention Europe has more money then US and Japan combined for foreign artists. 2. Competition from other countries in Asia. As you can see, K-pop and K-dramas are actually getting more popular outside of Asia. Also Taiwan is going to catch up to their Korean counterpart. How do you think Japan's entertainment industry going to take that when K-pop and K-dramas get more popular. Taiwan has already exported more and more of their dramas outside of Asia, Taiwan's pop music could catch up to their Korean counterpart in the future. Do you think Japan's entertainment is going to allow to lose more international fans to Korean and Taiwanese entertainment. Do you think Japan is going let Taiwan and Korea entertainment to monopolize their overseas fanbases? I've already seen former J-pop fans they quit J-pop citing "Japanese artists don't give a damn about their international fans, Korean artists take international fans seriously."
I don't expect people on this forum to believe me. I usually wait for it to happen so people will say "mdo7 was correct, we should've listen to him." Well back in early 2000's, nobody thought: -Japan's anime industry and manga industry would face a decline in 2009. A lot of people thought J-pop can get popular outside of Asia, but it didn't happen. A lot of people thought Japan would take the title of "cultural superpower" but Japan doesn't have that title anymore. -the Hallyu/Korean Wave would get outside of Asia. Nobody thought K-pop and K-dramas would get popular outside of Asia. A lot of people didn't think K-pop would become the first Asian pop to get popular outside of Asia. Not even J-pop achieve this. This is not to make Japan look inferior or anything like that. I'm saying that at some point Japan will have to start globalizing their cultural products for overseas release because other countries in Asia are going to try what Korea did. When it comes to globalization and IT, Korea and Taiwan is ahead when Japan is sort of behind on that part. Japan is good at anime/manga and some unique culture. So Japan got some catching up to do. As I said, the international market will be the key for Japan's music industry survival. |
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Mr. sickVisionz
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It's not. It's facepalmingly incorrect. 100% of 4 billion is 4 billion. 100% decline means the industry makes nothing. 200% means it's losing 4 billion every year. You cranked it up to 500%. |
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Alan45
Village Elder Posts: 10036 Location: Virginia |
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@mdo7
And you missed my point entirely. I'm trying to say that your multiple posts are an exercise in speculation with as much substance as spun sugar. Having explained your views to us there is little or no point in continuing. You have identified what you think is wrong with the Japanese entertainment industry. I suspect that the members of the industry don't even think there is a problem much less exactly what you have stated. You have stated what actions would fix the problem. You may be right, however it is also possible that the members of the entertainment industry would not accept this regardless of the consequences. You have speculated to the effect that economic forces will force these actions in any case. Maybe yes, maybe no, only time will tell. I can't say I look forward to hearing the same predictions for the next five to ten years. Your comments are much like those the claim the anime industry is being ruined by too much/too little moe, or fanservice, or whatever. They then state what anime programs should be made. That is sort of like fleas trying to discuss how to run the dog. A lot of discussion with no point. The Japanese entertainment industry in general and the anime industry in particular are what they are. Nothing we say here is going to change that. We should be looking at what they have done not what we wish they would do. We should cherish the good stuff and let the bad stuff go. Discussion of what they have done makes sense, discussion of what they should do is pointless. They will do what they want without help from us.
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mdo7
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So you really don't care if Japanese entertainment industry don't want to globalize their product or not allow their entertainment to get out of Japan. Japan has done good achievements when it comes to anime, but you're not concern if other Asian countries like Korea and Taiwan surpass Japan in other field like IT, music, and live-action dramas. Japan is falling behind that on a worldwide scale. I want to see Japan being competitive like on the same level as Korea and Taiwan when it comes to exporting music, IT, and I want to see Japan exporting more of their J-dramas not only anime and manga. |
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Alan45
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mdo7 wrote:
I didn't say anything about whether I care or not. I didn't say anything about what I would like to see them do. What I said was that it doesn't matter if I care, it doesn't matter what I want. The members of the Japanese entertainment industry will do what they want and nothing you or I say here on the forums will have any effect on that. That is all. I got into anime because they provided entertainment I couldn't get elsewhere. While I don't like everything there is enough good to keep me happy. It has been over 16 years now and they haven't disappointed me yet. I trust them to keep me entertained for the foreseeable future. I have no intention of trying to tell them what to do. Countries rise and fall, sometime it is the result of good or bad decision by people in power sometimes it is due to circumstances out of their control. It is a natural cycle. |
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mdo7
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Well I care about Japan not only because of anime and manga. But because when I see Japan fall behind their Korean and Taiwanese part, it upset me, Japan is the leading Asian countries and seeing Taiwan and Korea rising up in music, dramas, and IT makes me go "why is Japan not catching up to those 2 countries". I mean beside being a anime/manga fan, I'm also a big K-pop fan, drama fan. I don't see Japan have any desire to export J-pop outside of Japan, and Japan export few dramas when Korea and Taiwan are exporting a lot of dramas outside of Asia. Alan45, do you listen to J-pop or K-pop or any Asian pop music? Do you watch dramas from Asia whether it's K-drama or dramas from any other part of Asia? If you say yes, ask yourself this, do you not want J-pop to get mainstream popularity outside of Asia like K-pop did? Do you not want J-dramas to be shown outside of Japan and catch the same popularity wildfire like K-dramas has already gotten? If you answer to those then you would want Japan to do this too. I want Japan to export J-dramas because I want to learn more about Japanese culture from watching these dramas, and I want J-pop artists to be to get popular outside of Asia on the same level as K-pop artists. That's what I want to see out of Japan being able to compete with Korea and Taiwan, anime and manga are Japan's greatest export, but I want to see Japan being able to showcase Japan's true color by exporting J-dramas and J-pop/J-music outside of Asia. |
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Alan45
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mdo7
It doesn't matter if you care. It doesn't matter what you want. The Japanese entertainment industry will succeed or fail based on the decisions the members of that industry make. The nature of that success or failure or even if they accept that it is success or failure is entirely up to them. All you can do is sit back and watch. Personally, I think the industry can take care of itself. My thoughts about it don't matter. For the record I have a number of CDs of Japanese music, most of it anime related. I have a couple of albums of Japanese flute music that I have had for years. I don't otherwise have J-pop or K-pop or whatever. I watch anime, just to be specific I mean Japanese animation. I seldom watch live action anything, mostly nostalgia stuff. I am not interested in even US live action shows. When I'm not watching anime, I shut the TV off and read. Where did you get the idea that K-pop and K-dramas are "mainstream". While I could undoubtedly find them somewhere on line, no form of Korean entertainment is playing anywhere around here. Other than on this forum I don't think I have run into anyone who is aware of any form of Korean entertainment. In order to be mainstream, the general public would have to at least know it exists even if they don't follow it. For all our sins, Jersey Shore was mainstream, Korean drama is not. |
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mdo7
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uhm, read this. Including the weblinks and Youtube video included on that thread. Also I want you to read this: K-drama leads Hallyu Korean Drama find more fanbases in Latin America Korean pop culture increasingly popular in the US Korean Drama Fever Spreads Among US Fans I didn't know Korean pop culture was already gaining popularity around the world until I just found out early of this year, I became a fan since then. I found out K-pop/K-dramas is now mainstream in Latin America (that include Mexico, and Puerto Rico), Middle East, and parts of Europe. It may not be mainstream in the US, but the popularity has grown after Gangnam Style and Gentlemen. I never seen Japan's J-pop being able to achieve this like K-pop did. Alan45, do me a favor watch Korean dramas, they're just as good as anime. Several anime/manga has been adapted into Korean drama like Boys over Flower, Itazura Na Kiss, etc... |
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yuna49
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Well, as a American I have to say I could care less which is the "leading" Asian country when it comes to popular culture. Right now, living here in the States, I'd have to say most people if asked which is the leading Asian country would name China. Americans know about China because they own a lot of our debt and make a bunch of products that people buy at places like Walmart and Target. Japan, Korea, and Taiwan have little "mind-share" in America and exports of popular culture aren't likely to change that. We hear about Korea from time to time because it's the home of those thieves at Samsung who stole Apple's patents. We haven't paid much if any attention to Taiwan in decades. As for Japan, we still buy their cars and TVs but not at the rates we once did. The only recent stories about Japan that have penetrated even slightly into the consciousness of most Americans concern Fukushima, and those images are hardly positive ones. I'm old enough to remember the days when "Japan, Inc." was considered the biggest threat to American dominance. I can say with some certainty that those days are far behind us. I read the piece at the Daily Texan you linked to. Perhaps you don't know that it is the student newspaper at the University of Texas and not a major market paper. The article cites one PR person at a site specializing in Korean drama and two students on the Texas campus. And while those supposed three million online viewers of DramaFever sound like a large number, many prime-time television shows draw three to eight times as many viewers per week. You have expressed your opinions about Asian media in repeated and lengthy postings across a number of forum threads. Like Alan, might I suggest that it is time to move along? |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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You're soapboxing, which isn't allowed here. Every post of yours is like this. Stop it. Your next warning will be a ban. |
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Alan45
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Zac, Thank you. I'm sorry if I contributed to derailing the thread, but I couldn't figure out how to say "shut up" politely.
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