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Lord Geo
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:36 pm
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Quote: | Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Kotick. Or do, because you suck. |
Bobby Kotick is the quintessential example of "You Either Die A Hero, or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain". Quite simply, Kotick was the savior of Activision when he took control back in late 1990 (at only around 27 years old!), rescuing it from near-bankruptcy as Mediagenic, renaming it back to Activision (which had only been a label by that point), & reviving old IPs like Pitfall into brand new games. For all intents & purposes, Bobby Kotick was a hero (or at least something close to it) during the 90s... and then he ruined every bit of good will he ever mustered until getting to where he is now, a widely hated, reviled, & all around terrible person.
Honestly, had Activision not gotten hold of the Call of Duty franchise, I bet Bobby Kotick would have left Activision long ago & moved on to another company to do what he's since done. Good riddance.
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Custom Apex
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:52 pm
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Every time "This Week in Games" post something like this despite how big an company is or anyone/anything in general, it always more on the bad and negative than the good. I'm not mad but it's just annoying no matter who or what it is. Maybe I just wanting some good news every now and then. Is Kotick an really bad, terrible person?
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LinkTSwordmaster
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 4:40 pm
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Custom Apex wrote: | Is Kotick an really bad, terrible person? |
It's pretty extensively documented that he's one of the more effed up/underhanded CEOs where it comes to treating his employees like they're human or just generally making good (modern) choices regarding IPs.
Kyle Bosman (of Easy Allies fame) kind of touched on 2023 being a bit of a downer for games news over on his Delayed Input YT channel. It really does a great job of pointing at/making a spectacle of that "it always more on the bad and negative than the good" thing that you're talking about.
It kind of cant be helped since all of the global political turmoil happening right now is rubbing-friction with some economic stuff, and as unregulated as the gaming industry is right now, it's really feeling the turbulence of late-stage capitalism when you've got stuff like Microsoft sucking up Blizzard and Activision, but then that means Microsoft sometimes screws up teams and IPs it nabs. Sony is still walling off its multiplayer garden from Xbox and Switch in a lot of scenarios and I cant imagine that's gonna play too well with the merger either.
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ANN_Lynzee
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 4:41 pm
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Custom Apex wrote: | Is Kotick an really bad, terrible person? |
Read any of the links in the section about him, and you'll see the answer is unequivocally yes.
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Greed1914
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:06 pm
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ANN_Lynzee wrote: |
Custom Apex wrote: | Is Kotick an really bad, terrible person? |
Read any of the links in the section about him, and you'll see the answer is unequivocally yes. |
And, of course, he will get to walk away from it with a bunch of money that he doesn't need. Kotick's big ticket out was the Microsoft sale, but the thing I wonder is whether this will be the last we see of him. Plenty of overly wealthy executives keep going well beyond when they could have retired and wanted for nothing, but they keep going for some reason.
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Custom Apex
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 5:30 pm
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ANN_Lynzee wrote: |
Custom Apex wrote: | Is Kotick an really bad, terrible person? |
Read any of the links in the section about him, and you'll see the answer is unequivocally yes. |
So there's nothing good about him?
Greed1914 wrote: |
ANN_Lynzee wrote: |
Custom Apex wrote: | Is Kotick an really bad, terrible person? |
Read any of the links in the section about him, and you'll see the answer is unequivocally yes. |
And, of course, he will get to walk away from it with a bunch of money that he doesn't need. Kotick's big ticket out was the Microsoft sale, but the thing I wonder is whether this will be the last we see of him. Plenty of overly wealthy executives keep going well beyond when they could have retired and wanted for nothing, but they keep going for some reason. |
Should I hate him because of what you said?
LinkTSwordmaster wrote: |
Custom Apex wrote: | Is Kotick an really bad, terrible person? |
It's pretty extensively documented that he's one of the more effed up/underhanded CEOs where it comes to treating his employees like they're human or just generally making good (modern) choices regarding IPs.
Kyle Bosman (of Easy Allies fame) kind of touched on 2023 being a bit of a downer for games news over on his Delayed Input YT channel. It really does a great job of pointing at/making a spectacle of that "it always more on the bad and negative than the good" thing that you're talking about.
It kind of cant be helped since all of the global political turmoil happening right now is rubbing-friction with some economic stuff, and as unregulated as the gaming industry is right now, it's really feeling the turbulence of late-stage capitalism when you've got stuff like Microsoft sucking up Blizzard and Activision, but then that means Microsoft sometimes screws up teams and IPs it nabs. Sony is still walling off its multiplayer garden from Xbox and Switch in a lot of scenarios and I cant imagine that's gonna play too well with the merger either. |
Who else is equally awful as him when it comes to video games?
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AiddonValentine
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:02 pm
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Lord Geo wrote: |
Bobby Kotick is the quintessential example of "You Either Die A Hero, or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain". Quite simply, Kotick was the savior of Activision when he took control back in late 1990 (at only around 27 years old!), rescuing it from near-bankruptcy as Mediagenic, renaming it back to Activision (which had only been a label by that point), & reviving old IPs like Pitfall into brand new games. For all intents & purposes, Bobby Kotick was a hero (or at least something close to it) during the 90s... and then he ruined every bit of good will he ever mustered until getting to where he is now, a widely hated, reviled, & all around terrible person.
Honestly, had Activision not gotten hold of the Call of Duty franchise, I bet Bobby Kotick would have left Activision long ago & moved on to another company to do what he's since done. Good riddance. |
Kotick was NEVER a hero; he "saved" a company by buying it (which means he already had substantial wealth) and firing a bunch of employees to start with, and from the outset he always had the sweatshop philosophy of putting out games despite oversaturation. He never cared about anything other than attaining and hoarding wealth and thought of games as disposable (hence why so many series and even genres died due to his strategies). He was always a selfish, egotistical prick who only cared about himself. Hell, half the reason he's gone is because he was clearly mad at being mocked in public and wasn't having fun anymore.
As for the merger, I don't have anything positive or optimistic to say. The bad guys won. Kotick escapes any accountability for his abusive behavior with a massive golden parachute (likely to find another industry where he's less public as that's what billionaire businessmen do when they leave a company), Microsoft instantly gets to shrink the industry substantially thus leading to fewer jobs and less healthy competition, and a bunch of IPs get locked to a massive, monopolistic conglomerate. The only "silver" lining I can see (and even then it's pretty grim) is that MS has proven to be so incompetent with their games division over the past decade I can't see even this reversing their stagnant third place, let alone getting to own the industry which is clearly their end goal. Altogether, a dark day for the medium
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And, of course, he will get to walk away from it with a bunch of money that he doesn't need. Kotick's big ticket out was the Microsoft sale, but the thing I wonder is whether this will be the last we see of him. Plenty of overly wealthy executives keep going well beyond when they could have retired and wanted for nothing, but they keep going for some reason. |
It's because executive suites are where highly competitive people who aren't athletes go to. The reason Bog Iger returned to Disney was because he was completely and utterly bored. It consumes your entire life so they get wired to be in competition mode constantly. It's why a lot of business executives are also really compulsive gamblers.
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ANN_Lynzee
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:37 pm
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Custom Apex wrote: |
ANN_Lynzee wrote: |
Custom Apex wrote: | Is Kotick an really bad, terrible person? |
Read any of the links in the section about him, and you'll see the answer is unequivocally yes. |
So there's nothing good about him? |
I'm not judging whether he's worthy of heaven, just if I feel he's made good business decisions that didn't actively hurt his employees financially and personally (re: sexual harassment claims), and the answer to that is no.
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BadNewsBlues
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:48 pm
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Custom Apex wrote: | So there's nothing good about him? |
Anything good he may have done as CEO of Activision would automatically be mitigated by all the bad stuff he did or allowed to happen under his watch.
Custom Apex wrote: | Who else is equally awful as him when it comes to video games? |
Probably Denis Dyack, John Ritocello, & Tommy Tallarico
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Themaster20000
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:54 pm
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Custom Apex wrote: | Is Kotick an really bad, terrible person? |
He know about the misconduct going on a his company (on top of being accused himself) and did nothing about it. So yes, he is.
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Custom Apex
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:54 pm
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BadNewsBlues wrote: |
Custom Apex wrote: | So there's nothing good about him? |
Anything good he may have done as CEO of Activision would automatically be mitigated by all the bad stuff he did or allowed to happen under his watch. |
I mean before joining in Activision. I feel like this is just another greedy person who cares about himself than anything else.
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BadNewsBlues
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:01 pm
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Custom Apex wrote: | I mean before joining in Activision. |
Even in that instance same logic still applies.
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Avec ou Nous
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:07 pm
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It was my understanding that journalists can freely post and talk about leaks even if they illegally obtained so long as they themselves obtained them legally (i.e. the leaks were posted to a public forum or document initially rather than they themselves doing the hacking to get the info)
In this case it just seems like a double standard. As in, some people who have friends at Insomniac not wanting to do so VS not caring about Capcom or Microsoft leaks and freely talking about them since it doesn't affect them or their working relationship. Especially if a site was already blacklisted by a company like Microsoft so they have no reason to do them any favors and hold anything back.
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AiddonValentine
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:15 pm
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Avec ou Nous wrote: | It was my understanding that journalists can freely post and talk about leaks even if they illegally obtained so long as they themselves obtained them legally (i.e. the leaks were posted to a public forum or document initially rather than they themselves doing the hacking to get the info)
In this case it just seems like a double standard. As in, some people who have friends at Insomniac not wanting to do so VS not caring about Capcom or Microsoft leaks and freely talking about them since it doesn't affect them or their working relationship. Especially if a site was already blacklisted by a company like Microsoft so they have no reason to do them any favors and hold anything back. |
That's definitely another wrinkle to the whole coverage. Everyone is getting handwringy about Insomniac, but nothing about the CAPCOM hack where a bunch of personal information was also held for ransom? Furthermore, I don't see many people calling out Sony or Insomniac's leadership for having cybersecurity so lackluster a bunch of employee information is now out there. Same thing with Rockstar having security so poor that GTAVI was hacked by an Amazon Firestick.
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Lord Geo
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:31 pm
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AiddonValentine wrote: | Kotick was NEVER a hero; he "saved" a company by buying it (which means he already had substantial wealth) and firing a bunch of employees to start with, and from the outset he always had the sweatshop philosophy of putting out games despite oversaturation. He never cared about anything other than attaining and hoarding wealth and thought of games as disposable (hence why so many series and even genres died due to his strategies). He was always a selfish, egotistical prick who only cared about himself. Hell, half the reason he's gone is because he was clearly mad at being mocked in public and wasn't having fun anymore. |
While Kotick is a terrible person, & most certainly was a cold-hearted businessman from the start, you're really overselling Activision's business success from the moment Kotick took control. If you really look at Activision's catalog of releases, you'll notice that the company didn't put out anywhere near as much stuff in the 90s as it would from the 00s & beyond. Also, a ton of Activision's output during the 90s was by simply acting as the publisher, not the developer, relying heavily on either others' IPs or simply licensing stuff for release. Activision never owned stuff like MechWarrior, BioMetal, Shanghai, Radical Rex, Spycraft, Time Commando, Blast Chamber, Guardian's Crusade, Blue Stinger, Wu-Tang, or Tenchu (well, OK, they did eventually buy the Tenchu IP from Sony, but later sold it off).
It really wasn't until the very end of the 90s that Activision started becoming the massive giant it would become today. If Kotick didn't buy Activision then it would have more or less just died, but it's not like he instantly turned Activision into the entity it is now. During the 90s Activision was more or less just your standard third-party, putting out the occasional notable title or small hit but otherwise wasn't anywhere near the notoriety of the bigger names, like Capcom, Namco, Konami, or maybe even Midway. If there was to be an Atari 50-esque collection for Activision (as it turns 45 in 2024), 95% of its releases from the 90s wouldn't even be included, due to licensing; it'd be all 80s (i.e. pre-Kotick) games, plus the smattering of 90s games that are wholly Activision's. It wasn't until Tony Hawk's Pro Skater, & later Call of Duty, that it actually became a giant in the industry, and from there on out Kotick got all the money he wanted to indulge more & more in his terrible behavior.
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