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Zhou-BR
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 Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:20 am
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Finally! I was afraid that between Blade Runner: Black Lotus, The Ninth Jedi, the second season of Ultraman, Eien no 831 and the upcoming Lord of the Rings movie, Kamiyama and Aramaki would never find the time to finish this.
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Beatdigga
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:20 am
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Looks better than the first season visually but I still feel like I would have preferred 2D animation. 3D animation continues to remain a process rather than having a set goal.
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penguintruth
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:19 am
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I have mixed feelings about this. The first half wasn’t great, but showed potential (outside of that wonky CG), so I’m curious, but I feel like the writing isn’t as strong as with the rest of SAC.
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puraoreo
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:38 am
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Who actually watched this and enjoyed it enough for it to get a second season? I've never heard anyone talk about it at all since it came out.
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OjaruFan2
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:58 am
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| Beatdigga wrote: | | 3D animation continues to remain a process rather than having a set goal. |
What do you mean by that?
| puraoreo wrote: | | Who actually watched this and enjoyed it enough for it to get a second season? I've never heard anyone talk about it at all since it came out. |
I'm guessing it has been received a little more favorably in Japan since it has a Blu-ray release and a compilation movie (neither of which have been released internationally).
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Multi-Facets
Joined: 15 Oct 2019
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:54 pm
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| penguintruth wrote: | | [...]The first half wasn’t great, but showed potential (outside of that wonky CG), so I’m curious, but I feel like the writing isn’t as strong as with the rest of SAC. |
I feel the same way, though I'd go further as to say that, much like "Red vs. Blue: Zero", it's not a worthy successor to the series. Every character is recognizably themselves and it was good to see them (especially the Tachikoma), the bank robbery episode was the best out of the lineup, and when people got down to the nitty-gritty of investigations, it was like old times.
But something was lacking, and the use of Purin as comedy felt out of place. (Don't get me wrong, when she proved her initiative and intelligence, that was awesome, but she still didn't feel completely necessary.) I wound up taking the series off my Netflix list and ignoring it. However, I will check out season two, since I'm curious and hoping the writing team found their footing by now. I just don't think I'll re-save it to my list.
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Lann
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:59 pm
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Not canon. Pass.
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Multi-Facets
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:00 pm
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I don't know how this double-posted. Sorry, everyone.
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Cardcaptor Takato
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:29 pm
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Sans the issues with the CGI, I thought it had potential and I liked the story and it was great seeing the characters and hearing the dub cast again. I'm glad Kamiyama and Aramaki will get to finish the story and I can't wait to hear Mary Elizabeth McGlynn as Motoko again.
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Beatdigga
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:01 pm
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| OjaruFan2 wrote: | | What do you mean by that? |
Simply that different studios are focused on styling 3D animation in different ways rather than trying to replicate/replace 2D animation. This is right on the heels of Polygon Pictures announcing new technology to better imitate 2D animation so I thought the contrast was interesting.
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Stampeed Valkyrie
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:37 pm
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My biggest issue was the CGI, it tooks some acclimating to. Overall 1st season was middle of the road, not good nor bad.
I can't comment on the dub, I assume it kept the same group that did SAC and 2nd Gig. If so the dub would be passable.
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mylycos
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 4:09 pm
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| puraoreo wrote: | | Who actually watched this and enjoyed it enough for it to get a second season? I've never heard anyone talk about it at all since it came out. |
I will go a bit further: when was the last good Ghost In The Shell project? SAC? Sure. SAC 2nd Gig? Innocence? Definite maybe. Arise and the seemingly endless stuff since then? Maybe that isn't fair because we've gotten a lot more Fate universe and SAO stuff but still.
Beyond the issue of mere quality GITS is simply dated IMHO. A lot of the issues with politics, culture, economics and society that it raised are obsolete or didn't develop along the lines that either the manga, movie or original SAC predicted. Take the Rocky film series. It was great for its time because it addressed issues facing lower income urban white ethnic immigrants in the 1970s and 1980s who were being squeezed by both integration - meaning competition for jobs, schools and housing (the same year that the first film was released there were desegregation riots in nearby Boston) - and exclusion from WASP institutions. (Yes modern audiences find a lot of the text and subtext problematic; to his credit Sylvester Stallone states that it was unintentional and apologized for it.) Because those issues don't exist anymore there would be no way to faithfully adapt it or continue the series. Using the son of the Apollo Creed character in a spinoff to address a new set of issues was much better.
The original GITS manga was influenced by Terminator and Blade Runner, it is fair to say? (The original movie was more about Mamoru Oshii's philosophical and religious beliefs it seems.) Instead of continuing to play with cyberpunk ideas that are going on 40 years old why not just reboot the whole thing with a view towards modern technology and society? Major Kusanagi was essentially a female (for fanservice purposes as the original 1989 manga cover makes abundantly clear, as does the somewhat tamer 1995 original movie poster) terminator. Time for some new ideas with new characters.
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Cardcaptor Takato
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:24 pm
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| mylycos wrote: | |
Beyond the issue of mere quality GITS is simply dated IMHO. A lot of the issues with politics, culture, economics and society that it raised are obsolete or didn't develop along the lines that either the manga, movie or original SAC predicted. Take the Rocky film series. It was great for its time because it addressed issues facing lower income urban white ethnic immigrants in the 1970s and 1980s who were being squeezed by both integration - meaning competition for jobs, schools and housing (the same year that the first film was released there were desegregation riots in nearby Boston) - and exclusion from WASP institutions. |
I mean if you're going by the argument that GITS is dated because modern society didn't turn out like a sc-fi anime from 20 years ago predicted, you could apply that reasoning to most sci-fi anime and most sci-fi in general. I don't think most people 20 years ago watching GITS SAC thought the year 2022 was going to be exactly like or even close to what the anime was portraying. I also don't think it's fair to compare a sci-fi anime where anime as a whole is not exactly aiming for cultural realism to a sports drama with a realistic setting and characters. If we're going by this reasoning, the original Macross is a lot more dated than GITS since the whole crash landing of the SDF-1 ship took place in 1999 but we don't have transforming jets now. But people still love Macross and they keep making sequels to it.
| Quote: | | Instead of continuing to play with cyberpunk ideas that are going on 40 years old why not just reboot the whole thing with a view towards modern technology and society? Major Kusanagi was essentially a female (for fanservice purposes as the original 1989 manga cover makes abundantly clear, as does the somewhat tamer 1995 original movie poster) terminator. Time for some new ideas with new characters. |
That's just Psycho Pass which also a ton of a sequels and movies also of varying quality.
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MagicPolly
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:12 pm
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| puraoreo wrote: | | Who actually watched this and enjoyed it enough for it to get a second season? I've never heard anyone talk about it at all since it came out. |
I believe it was meant to be 24 episodes from the beginning, but was split (maybe because scheduling issues)
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Gem-Bug
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:44 pm
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I was really hoping we would get less Purin, but I think I saw more of her in this trailer than even Motoko. And now she's a shooty, action girl! It's like an OC who's abilities the creator changes every other day/can't decide on. 
| Lann wrote: | | Not canon. Pass. |
It....it is, though...? Isn't it? 
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