Forum - View topicINTEREST: Potentially Stolen Ai & Makoto Manga Material Appear on Auction Site
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partially
Posts: 702 Location: Oz |
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Bizarre.
So let me get this straight. It sounds like they aren't trying to reclaim any of the material. They are just telling people that do have it to not sell it? One of the more unusual ways I have seen stolen goods handled. |
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grooven
Posts: 1429 Location: Canada |
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Yeah I'm confused what happens now? It does seem like nobody is turning it back in.
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L'Imperatore
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Shouldn't it be Mandarake? Autocorrect messed up?
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ScruffyKiwi
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My guess is that it’s hard to prove the theft (it was the 70s after all and it is probably more correct to say they wern’t returned rather than stolen) good enough for any police action, but they can comment any time some of these items come up for auction. |
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Cutiebunny
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Big Web Auction items on Mandarake always go for ungodly high amounts. 4,000,000 yen. That would be a case of buyer's remorse for me.
The thing is, this sort of thing happens all the time. Artwork magically disappears and is whisked away into private collection. Sometimes it's just an innocent act of negligence. And other times, it's just pure profit. For example, years ago, I had a commission from a Japanese artist who sent it to her editor to scan for an upcoming artbook before it would be sent out. That artwork sat in the editor's office for well over a year before it was returned and sent to me. In that time frame, that artwork could have easily have disappeared. It didn't, in my case, but I'm sure things like this happen all the time. |
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Kadmos1
 Posts: 13626 Location: In Phoenix but has an 85308 ZIP |
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If the suspect(s) had legally bought the artwork, then there should not be an issue. They could have potentially gotten the same amount of $ had they gone this route.
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ScruffyKiwi
Posts: 710 Location: New Zealand |
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You can’t legally buy stolen goods! They remain stolen goods no matter how many owners they pass through. |
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casenumber00
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Was it really stolen or accidentally sold a while ago and no one remembers? My dad use to tell me stories about how he had a box full of rare comic books like first appearance of Wolverine, Avengers #1, etc and told me for years some friend stole his entire box. Then, at a family gathering, everyone was talking about something (cant remember what exactly) then I chimed in like your box of comic that got stolen. My grandma says "they werent stolen, you sold them" "Why would I sell my prized comics?" "you really wanted a car to drive around in"
Basically, it was an expense he had to do to buy a car as an early adult and he totally forgot about selling the comics in the early 70s. Now, buying a car is trivial but at the time for him those comics needed to be sold so he could drive to work and do young adult stuff, which, at the time, was more important than the comics. I am not saying Kodansha is lying but it is easy to forget at doing things. |
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ANN_Lynzee
ANN Executive Editor
 Posts: 3053 Location: Email for assistance only |
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More like my brain messed up. I thought it was "mandrake" since that's an actual word and just typed it in. |
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GATSU
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They probably can’t do anything about it being stolen, because they didn’t report on it the first time around, and the statute of limitations for doing so ended.
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Cutiebunny
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But how do you prove they're stolen? That's the hard thing with this sort of artwork. It's not like a Picasso painting where its provenance well documented, and likely famous enough to be easily recognizable to someone in the know. If artwork of this caliber is stolen, the art theft becomes well known throughout the art world. Ethical museums, if offered the stolen goods, should do their best to ensure the police can arrest those involved and reacquire the stolen goods. Theft of manga manuscripts is a lot harder to prove. And with the amount of volume that many publishing companies deal with, tracking down all artwork involved becomes very difficult. Sometimes publishing companies offer originals as prizes in magazine contests. Do you think that the publishing company kept a record of that contest 30+ years down the road? Probably not. To the collector of this series, this probably was too good to pass up, even if the original publisher labels it as being stolen. |
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