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dmanjdb



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:50 am Reply with quote
About the Lupin/Wolf question. The reason they call Lupin "The Wolf" (the so much controversial Streamline version) because of legal problems with Monkey Punch and the family of the original Lupin author. BTW "The Wolf" sound better than Animeigo "Rupan".
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:57 am Reply with quote
<i>Tezuka Osamu Productions still has the rights to this movie and since they don’t have an American branch, gaining the rights to the title would be very difficult.</i>

This assumes that the rights to the two Unico movies lapsed, which is an assumption that can't really be made outright. In fact, since the VHS versions of both of the Unico movies were released by Columbia Tristar, I would think it's actually *very* likely they'll find their way to DVD soon enough.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:09 pm Reply with quote
I'd take Rupan as a personal name over "The Wolf" any day. Having the police search for "The Wolf" is reasonable, but having Jigen call Lupin "The Wolf" to his face is ratehr dumb.

But it seems thatwe forgot about the copyright issues, so I've edited the original article.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:22 pm Reply with quote
Not to mention, the statement doesn't make sense as written. Even given that Tezuka Pro has no United States branch office to deal with American licensing, that hasn't stopped the WB from going in with Tezuka Pro on the new Astro Boy series, or Dark Horse from releasing the Astro Boy manga as well as Metropolis, and some of Tezuka Sensei's other works.

Further, If every Japanese company needed a US affiliate before they could license product, how'd AnimEigo get Urusei Yatsura, Madox 01, Otaku no Video, and Bubblegum Crisis back in the day? At that time, no Japanese anime company (with the possible exception of Tatsunoko, which did have a history of selling its back catalog to US TV syndication, and the handful of Japanese studios that had contracted to do animation grunt work for US outfits [such as Studio Egg on "Thundercats"]) was bothering with the US market in any meaningful way, and wouldn't have needed a US office.

That being said: If Ms. Bundy had said that neither Tezuka Pro nor any potential US distributor coud see enough demand here for it to justify the cost, or the rights are in limbo (either regular limbo or "Macross DYRL-grade" limbo Razz) or that Tezuka Pro wanted too much money, then it would have made more sense. But to say that "well, they don;t have an office in the US, so it's difficult, that flies in the face of the facts, IMHO.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:28 pm Reply with quote
Ummm...a half-correction on the correction: Actually, Leblanc and Doyle were mutual admirers of each other's stories, and had talked about collaborating on a "Holmes v. Lupin" story, but before they could, Doyle got sick of Holmes and decided to kill him off (temporarily, as it turns out). Therefore, during a time in which Doyle couldn't care less if someone were to have turned Holmes into a mass murderer (the British public would have lynched that hypothetical writer, though Razz) , Leblanc forged ahead and wrote the Lupin v. Holmes tale.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:51 pm Reply with quote
Tempest: It's better than "Edgar Master Detective", which apparently is the name of the anime in France. (At least based on postings on the Lupin ML...)

Pat: Actually, I heard that Doyle hated Holmes from the get-go, but the Brits wouldn't stand for killing him off, so Doyle had to "resurrect" him. (I could sort of understand his feelings, though. I mean who'd've thought a detective who takes cocaine and thinks the world's flat would be so popular? ^_-)

Oh, and for the record, the Doyle estate did have a problem with "Herlock Sholmes" being used in one of the novels, and sued LeBlanc. I'm guessing he won, because it was a parody, or it wouldn't be published today on Amazon. (Just re-released! Get it before it's OOP!)
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:58 am Reply with quote
Pat Payne wrote:
Ummm...a half-correction on the correction: Actually, Leblanc and Doyle were mutual admirers of each other's stories, and had talked about collaborating on a "Holmes v. Lupin" story, but before they could, Doyle got sick of Holmes and decided to kill him off (temporarily, as it turns out). Therefore, during a time in which Doyle couldn't care less if someone were to have turned Holmes into a mass murderer (the British public would have lynched that hypothetical writer, though Razz) , Leblanc forged ahead and wrote the Lupin v. Holmes tale.
However Sir Arthur did complain to Leblanc about using his Holmes character without his permission and Leblanc responded by doing a similar thing as AnimEigo did, changed the Holmes character's name to "Herlock Sholmes". Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:37 am Reply with quote
tempest wrote:
but having Jigen call Lupin "The Wolf" to his face is ratehr dumb.

Ah, but he didn't. He refers to Lupin as "Wolf", not "the Wolf".
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:59 pm Reply with quote
drakh wrote:
tempest wrote:
but having Jigen call Lupin "The Wolf" to his face is ratehr dumb.

Ah, but he didn't. He refers to Lupin as "Wolf", not "the Wolf".


Aside from that, it's no different from Joker calling Yumiko "The Paper" in R.O.D., which of course they changed in the dub.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 4:26 am Reply with quote
Kazuki-san wrote:

Aside from that, it's no different from Joker calling Yumiko "The Paper" in R.O.D., which of course they changed in the dub.


Except that it's a matter of form and incompariable to Jigen calling Lupin "Wolf". Joker is a stickler for addressing his agents by their codenames. Jigen is Lupin's friend and compatriot.

The facts are the name was changed to prevent a costly suit with the LeBlanc estate. Whether the LeBlanc estate had a leg to stand on is quite debatable. Fortunately the copyright has now expired on the earliest Arsene Lupin stories, so now Lupin III is completely free and clear.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 5:32 am Reply with quote
tiredgamer wrote:

Whether the LeBlanc estate had a leg to stand on is quite debatable.


Not really. Names are governed under Trademark law.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:04 pm Reply with quote
Out of curiousity I searched and found several French trademarks for Lupin and Arsene Lupin. Whether any of them are still valid and who holds them... that takes money. Neutral
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:32 pm Reply with quote
(though it’s up to the mangka on whether or not you get an ending, since some series simply stop if the mangaka becomes burned out)

How often has this actually happened? Does anyone know?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 12:21 pm Reply with quote
For the longest time now, I had this movie pictured in my head that I watched when I was younger. For years I could not think of the name until now. Unico. So glad I read the questions and answers today. Now I can concentrate on trying to find a copy now that I know the name. Sucks not being able to name something and when you describe, tons of people know what you are refering to since they've seen it when they were younger but can't remember the name themselves. I only saw the one with the cat that turns human.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:35 pm Reply with quote
Michi wrote:
(though it?s up to the mangka on whether or not you get an ending, since some series simply stop if the mangaka becomes burned out)

How often has this actually happened? Does anyone know?


Well, I know Yu Yu Hakusho went like that, I am sure there are plenty of other series as well. The YYH mangaka seems to be notorious for this...it seems like Hunter X Hunter is going down the same streak. He's just not feeling it anymore I think ^^;; Other than that, bad endings seem to happen more often then not, because a)the publisher cans the series and/or b)the mangaka has no idea how end it. Though I have read a lot more manga endings that satisfied compared to anime endings.
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