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DeaD_PooL
Joined: 11 Sep 2004
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:30 pm
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Was the theater version dubbed here in the U.S.?
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CorneredAngel
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:44 pm
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Yes, it was. As a reviewer who is personally rather biased, I've made a decision to not comment on the quality of the dub at all.
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radicaledward
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:05 pm
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CorneredAngel wrote: | Yes, it was. As a reviewer who is personally rather biased, I've made a decision to not comment on the quality of the dub at all. |
Off the record how was the dub - the movie will be coming to my town soon and I am debating seeing it or not. The review doesn't give me too much hope (even though the action sequences might make up for the ticket price), but if the dub is not even functional I will probaly just rent it on DVD when it comes out.
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CorneredAngel
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:32 pm
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The consensus between myself and a few other people was that Geneon *really* could have shelled out for a script editor. The dub itself is mostly serviceable, primarily because there really is not much of it, but the writing is *bad* - occasionally ridiculous, mostly just cringe-inducing.
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radicaledward
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:48 pm
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Ouch, thanks for the heads up. I do belive that I will be waiting for it to come out on DVD for a rental.
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v1cious
Joined: 31 Dec 2002
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:30 am
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i still say it's overrated, but that's just my opinion
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the_soultaker
Joined: 25 Mar 2004
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:24 am
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v1cious wrote: | i still say it's overrated, but that's just my opinion |
Yeah, and so is Dragonball Z,Evangelion,Cowboy Bebop,Triggun,Beserk.etc. while those shows have a somewhat justified cult following, what really matters is how they stand on their own merit.
Appleseed does that (regardless of it's dubbing or plot holes) and then some. The Movie was intended to be an entertaining piece not some 2 hour philisophic lecture I.E. GITS Innocense
*AHEM* (Which i found more disapointing than Appleseed,This is what happens when i buy into the hype for the highly antcipated sequel,which didn't live up to my expectations.)
I knew what i was getting into when i firt saw the Movie, therefore, i was entertained and not extremeley disapointed like some or most of you. Never raise high expectations on any movie/Anime.etc unless you're damn sure it's gonna be a "certified" hit.
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nickus1028
Joined: 30 Mar 2004
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:35 pm
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Soultaker,
I certainly do not agree with your first sentence, everyone is entitled to there own opinion, I do however agree that if you don't go into Appleseed with high expectations you will find the movie to be pretty good. I had my doubts when I saw the CG animation but the movie was really good. The plot is nothing new, but whats new. The action sequences though are amazing.
I suggest everybody should at least see it. If you have the chance to see in the theatres take it up, I mean how many anime movies actually go to the theatres anyways.
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Cloe
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:15 pm
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nickus1028 wrote: | If you have the chance to see in the theatres take it up, I mean how many anime movies actually go to the theatres anyways. |
That's what I thought when I saw GITS: Innocence at the theater. I'm never paying to see a poorly-reviewed movie in the theater just because it's a highly anticipated anime again. What a disappointment. And that, at least, was in Japanese with subtitles. I don't know if I could sit through a badly-written English script for 2 hours. I'll wait and rent the DVD.
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Renaisance Otaku
Joined: 15 Jan 2004
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:26 pm
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Interesting review. I agree on the most part with the character animation. While I understand and approve of the reason why they used celshading, I found that it could have been done better. Many times the characters didn't look like they were lit properly. They mostly stuck out like sore thumbs. The sharp contrast in the shadowing really makes it look like the characters are made out of liquid. They're so luminescent.
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GATSU
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:51 pm
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soul_taker: I'm with you on preferring Appleseed to Innocence, as the latter film didn't really build on the original, while, compared to that straight-to-video production of Appleseed in the 80's, this new installment has more artistic and narrative depth.
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beverins
Joined: 04 Aug 2003
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:18 am
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basically, this movie has nice animation (and yes, I do 3D animation myself, so I can see the faults in some of the motions and so on... it is still nice animation)... and the story is servicable... but its the script that's painful. Whoever wrote this really needs to take some more courses on scriptwriting, because it has some of the THE worst expository dialogue I have ever heard.
Granted, the expository scene when Deunan and Hiroko (or whatever her name was) are driving along did add to my understanding of the world they were in, but it could have been so much better paced, written and directed. As it was, it could have been Voice Over Narration for all the resemblance it had to "how people talk".
Some of the plot holes and cliche were attributable to the story of Appleseed to begin with. The D-Tank in particular I find to be about as much sense as RPGs where the evil dude keeps the item needed to destroy him within easy reach in his castle. Yes, I understood the reason it was placed there, but it seemed like a damn stupid bioroid failsafe, particularly when you're engineering the damn things - just put in code into their bodies, you don't need a giant tank of special virus on the top of some building to "keep them bioroids in line". Also, the "the shut off switch is on the front panel of unit #7" is just bad writing, I don't care if it was Oshii's first manga even - that's just real bad. They have all this wireless tech, and they have to put the shut off switch right on the unit itself. Brilliant!
And since when do robots cough?
But the movie was worth the $10, at any rate, I think.
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Neo_1
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:13 pm
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Well at least when the DVD is released it will have the Japanese w/ subtitles. so don't fret to much about it.
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