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rainbowcourage
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CANAAN (TV) Genres: action, drama, mystery, psychological Themes: biological warfare, genetic mutation, girls with guns, human experimentation, special abilities, terrorism, tragic past Plot Summary: Two years ago, Shibuya was ravaged by a biological terrorist attack using the deadly Ua virus. Maria Osawa was saved when her father inoculated her against the virus, but is left with partial amnesia from the shock. She works as a cameraman when she reunites with a girl named Canaan in Shanghai, China. A gifted assassin with synesthesia, she is under orders from an unknown organization for a yet unspecified mission. ---------------------------------- Episode one is out and damn does this show look great. I was even more impressed by the first episode than I thought I would be. All the characters are likable, there's obviously a lot of backstory here, the action was kick-ass, and the plot looks appropriately confusing. spoiler[The creepiest part was all the killing going on in the festival and people just laughing and acting like it was normal. I have a feeling that flowers have something to do with it since they lingered on that flower (a magnolia?) for quite a while. I like Canaan, too, and even Maria managed to be cute and not annoying.] The best thing about this show at the moment is the pacing. It has 13 episodes to do its thing, and the director knows that. They even introduced the main villain straight up, unless they throw a curveball in later and put her on Canaan's side. Talk about moving fast. I hope CANAAN can maintain this level of quality because right now it has everything going for it. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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Kinda wish ufotable was animating this, as their approach is nearly impeccable. But any new Type-Moon related work that isn't done JCStaff is welcomed.
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blind_assassin
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It looks pretty cool so far. I assume the reasons for everyone spoiler[acting like the freaking out and things exploding and people being killed] will either come out or be a very annoying part of the story due to lack of explanation. I have decent expectations for this show so far.
I found it quite amusing that one of the sex appeal female characters is named Maria Osawa given the Japanese pornstar named Maria Ozawa. It'll probably be distracting for a while. |
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Blackpeppir
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Yeah, looks like a fairly interesting so far, not like Needless That was just awful, but I digress. Decent show by the looks of it, no over the top moe-ness or anything I find super irritating so far. I'm definitely intrigued to find out what happens next but wether or not they'll be able to keep that up I dunno, I can be kinda picky. At least the animation is rather nice.
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tarheel91
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Holy CRAP.
Beautiful. I watched that one late action scene twice because of how awesome it was. Honestly, I'd be okay with watching that OP for 24 minutes straight. It was brilliant as well. This looks to be a great, deep show with some awesome, beautifully-animated action as well. About not noticing, spoiler[they touched on it several times. I don't know how you could've missed it. In the airplane they talked a ton about how people refuse to see the things they don't want to see. The tie in was that pictures allow you to borrow someone else's eyes to see them. Then, when the guy is in the crowd, he realizes what's going on, and that everyone else is ignoring it and pretending it isn't happening. I think it's pretty realistic. Whenever there's a possibility of something really bad happening, we usually try to discount it and come up with some logical explanation for it. Basically, "There's no way a gunfight could be occurring so close to me! This MUST be part of the show."] |
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Blackpeppir
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It's so true, last year on black friday (that's the day after thanksgiving for those who don't live stateside) people were trampled to death by mobs in department stores and shot in lines to get into said stores. Yet nobody paid it any attention until they had finished their shopping, it's really sad that this is where humanity (or at the very least the west) is at. But the point is that this exact same thing was happening during the festival. Tarheel is correct they did explain it on the plain, and To me at least, it seemed, if only by this one episode, to be a theme they're going to press in the series. The people are too busy having a good time that they're only going to see every else having as good a time, the guy could've been bleeding with a knife in his back and it probably would've progressed the same way. |
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Ausdoerrt
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Here's my take on ep. 1:
"Hmm, OK, so I watched ep. 1 and I'm slightly disappointed... First, the animation quality is only about average (considering the size of the file, it could've and should'vr been 1080p, they shoul really start compressing the eps better); some of the detail was good, but there also were some pretty blatant mistakes, or lazy animation - there were places where characters and backgrounds didn't blend well together; the mass dancing scenes, and the dragons just looked bad. Some of the good moments were the "synthesia" effect and the flow of the action scenes. Now the characters and setting... Well, say what you want, but there's very little Type-Moon vibe. I only saw it in the two main leads - the rest behave more like standard anime charas; the whole feel reminds me somewhat of Witchblade, with the reporter and all. The directior also seems to be trying to copy Mamoru Oshii to an extent - the setting, some of the charas look like they're from GitS, the festival scene is strongly remniscient of GitS:Innocence (except with much worse quality 3D); Canaan's room looks like it was taken out of Sky Crawlers; government's experiments on non-concenting civilians... Although thus far, the similarity didn't go much further than art direction, unfortunately. The setting is China? I guess it's becoming popular... Still, a girl doing an anime dance to a Japanese song in the middle of some sort of traditional holiday (can't tell which it is though)? That's just NOT gonna happen... Also, surprisingly few people around for a big festival... Some of the street signs looked weird... Also, didn't most of the people look too "western" for the setting? I can't say I like the art direction. The music... Nothing outstanding in the soundtrack... The OP was OK but super-generic. The ED was pretty interesting, reminds me of Trinity Blood ED. So the story... Well, not much here thus far, the ep was definitely more concerned with showing off the action. Enter "synthesia" - sounds more like a magic kingdom than an ability... Yet another failure to properly use English... The idea itself is pretty old, I wonder where they borrowed it, but I've certainly come across it in fiction multiple times before - and it was described better. Also, we get most of the cast thrown out at us again, with little to no introduction for most of them (I hate this new trend, and yes, I'm looking at you, Shangri-La). It'll probably take them at least a few more eps to bring all the charas together - hopefully in an interesting way. I might follow a few more eps, and unless the show improves a bit, it'll be some sort of mediocre action show that isn't worth space on my harddrive. I'll wait a week or two more, though." So yeah, thus far it's best I've seen in this pitiful summer season, but I could as well go re-watch some old DVDs. It's nowhere as good as ufotable's production from the get-go, but I'll give it a chance for another episode or two. |
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Westlo
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I'm sorry but in no way what so ever is this average animation for a tv series, it puts most recent OVAs to shame. Just because you don't like the cg usage in some scenes does not suddenly make sakuga level animation and vast amounts of movement throughout average. If you're comparing it to KnK like it seems you are in that final line than ffs use your head. Why don't you go point out that a Ps3 game looks better than a Wii game since the capabilities and budget for a tv series is vastly different to tv series. Since that's what your effectively doing comparing KnK to CANAAN. If you want to look at average animation look at Umineko, shows like CANAAN and Bakamonogatari are several levels above that. |
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Ausdoerrt
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I compared it to KnK because they're both based off Nasu's works.
In terms of animation quality, I can compare it to the recen Eden of the East, or even to the older Gankutsuou or Gits:SAC which came out years ago as TV series and still look a lot better. High-res =/= automatically great, it's average, maybe above average, but not anything exceptional is what I'm getting at. The CG with low-res textures really stands out, and there are other moments that stood out as well, both the ones I mentioned in the post and the ones I didn't. Umineko isn't an action show, so it isn't even a valid comparison. Canaan has lots of shows that are better animated, and lots that are worse, so it's average, maybe a bit above average. It may be good for the crappy summer season we're having, but not overall. Although, animation quality is the least of this show's worries as long as they don't let slips happen like in the first ep. EDIT: Also it's not "Idiot tales" but "Monster tales" thus "Bakemonogatari" |
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Westlo
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Why don't I go compare Kobe Byrant to a high school kid playing basketball.. hmm I wonder which is better! :roll:
East and SAC had terrible cgi throughout and Eden wasn't action based... if you have to mention Gankutsuou which is visually different to everything in anime in an attempt to make something look average you're really reaching...
I watched it raw while streamed at first but whatever....
No it's not.
Exceptional . . . . Average Way to make your point.
yes the cg is bad but if you're going to act like Eden didn't have dodgy CG or GITS SAC than lol..
It's more of an action show than Eden.... as you'll eventually find out..
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. 90% of tv shows doesn't have the amount of crowd movement that CANAAN episode 1 displayed. Doesn't have as high quality action scene as the end or well done character animation. Masahiro Ando knows his shit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4_IORUfM_A Spike Vs Vincent in CB Movie > anything in KnK.
Omg I did a typo, I have no idea how to spell it! |
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tarheel91
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I'll handle this part since Westlo's got the animation. Sounds more like a magic kingdom? It's real, genius. Synensthesia "is a neurologically based phenomenon in which stimulation of one sensory or cognitive pathway leads to automatic, involuntary experiences in a second sensory or cognitive pathway." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia The only time I've ever seen it used is in pretty sophisticated prose. Please stop trying to act like this is some run-of-the-mill idea that's been done to death by eleventy-seven anime. |
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Ausdoerrt
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Allright, sorry for trying to do a detailed breakdown of first impressions instead of shouting "OMG its soooo great I'm in love".
If you can handle a discussion and have to jump at every phrase you don't like the sound of without reading the whole post, then I'll take it to some other forum where the discussion is more intelligent and people less touchy.
Exceptional . . . Canaan Average . . . Original Dragonball Your point?
I found it funny and pointed it out. I suggest purchasing a sense of humour at the nearest convenience store 
The rest of the post is useless flaming and arguing over words and phrases I have no interest to engage in (and am likely to lose, since I'm not a native English speaker). Chao. |
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Blackpeppir
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Rather sad that this thread has become somewhat of a battle ground. I mean, why bother starting a petty argument over, from what I can see, something as redundant as someone having a different opinion. So he doesn't think it's the greatest thing since sliced EVA, so what? Isn't everyone entitled to their opinion? Or do they only have that right so long as their opinion is the same as yours? Like I said earlier not everybody is going to like every anime, and they shouldn't some of them are really bad. In my opinion. Sure Canann is a decent show, with reasonably good animation and a somewhat intriguing plot, is it the best? No. Does it have it's flaws? You'd better believe it. Do I expect everyone to like it as much as I do for the same reasons? Wouldn't even think of it. Calm down Westlo and let people think what they want and everyone stop the petty squabbling so the thread doesn't get locked. I'd hate to see that happen as it's a good series that deserves a discussion.
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zawa113
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Well, that was interesting, not quite sure what to make of it since it was a lot of action scenes but not a whole lot of sense. Unlike Basquash!, whose first ep was pretty action filled, I'm not sure if this one made me want to see more.
Actually, the reason I checked this out was because I had heard that it somehow involved synesthesia, a term I looked up back when I played Rez so many years ago on the PS2 (and then again last fall on someone's 360, man that game is addictively soothing!) and immediately went "I know what that is!" when they mentioned it in the show and Rez proved that quite a bit of interesting stuff can be done with the concept so I'm curious to see where it'd go in this series. |
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Miranox
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It often happens that two or more people start arguing. This is a discussion forum after all. It only becomes an issue if criticism is not constructive anymore. So far, I don't see any problems in this thread. Usually, arguments heat up because almost no one bothers to include any objectivity in their opinion. Also, the main problem is that most people on these kinds of forums think they're anime gurus and value their own opinions so much that they would rather jump off a cliff than change their opinion or admit they were wrong. Naturally, they also judge everything harshly. |
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