Forum - View topicThe Anime Economy - Part 3: Digital Pennies
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Yorozuya
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So crunchyroll might be okay?
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Divineking
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I find it pretty interesting that having a minimum guarantee for simulcasting is something that's only recent...but then the whole thing did start off as only experimenting in a way so I suppose it's not that surprising that it took a while to come with better ways to stablize it.
I do agree that promoting simulcasts can be difficult to do, but it can be done if enough effort's put in. Tiger and Bunny is a reasonable example. It;s safe to say Viz put in a LOT of promotion while they were simulcasting it(though I imagine Sunrise was pushing them a bit). and it looks like it'll pay off...though I guess we won't know till a physical release comes out. |
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ABCBTom
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I'm sure you can only speculate, but how hard to you imagine Crunchyroll will be hit by the ending of Bleach? I guess it's good Naruto has a Rock Lee spinoff that will be able to hopefully bring in some views.
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050795
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Ah yes that explains it perfectly, fans today just aren't like they used to be (well most of them anyways). |
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agila61
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As a side note, $6.95 is the per month rate ~ Crunchyroll also has $19.95/3mth and $59.95/12mth, and has had $50/12mth Premium (anime+drama) memberships the last two Cyber Mondays.
So it could be anywhere from $4.17/mth to $6.95/mth. I've been using $5/mth as a conservative guesstimate. While they haven't confirmed TV Tokyo's "almost 70,000", they have repeatedly stated that over half of what members pay goes to the original producers in Japan, which would be over $175,000 a month. $2,000 MG per episode would be around $176,000 for the 22 full length episode series, so add in episodes that beat their MG and that "over half" would seem to have to be correct. So overall, over 22 full length episode series and so around 90 episodes a month, the funds from Crunchyroll would cover the cost of about one episode ~ if the streaming process itself was cost free, which it is not.
Crunchyroll is teasing that they have a big announcement coming sometime this month. They're very tight lipped compared to some teasing that they do: BasouKazuma says
... and then after people start guessing:
The only two things that come to my mind as being really big deals would be global ex-Japan distribution on a slate of longer running shows, and the one of the "Big Three" that they do not have. But my crystal ball is in the shop, so its likely something else entirely. Last edited by agila61 on Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:56 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Cutiebunny
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I've always been amused by how much people affliated with the industry think that those who refuse to pay for this week's episode of whatever anime du jour refuse to buy any legally released anime products. It's as if the industry thinks that these anime fans (or what I assume are probably the vast majority of fans) sit at home in their parents' basement, unemployed, downloading/streaming anime, wearing stained sweat pants and holding a slightly warm cup of Top Ramen. I would say that the vast majority of anime fans that do stream/torrent/etc. are probably well educated. They know what they like and they know how to find their fix. Many of these same fans are the ones that attend conventions (where they talk about what they watch/read), buy DVDs/BluRay and other merchandise, both domestic and import. While possibly hurting US fans by limiting the amount of anime that will be released on DVD/Bluray, streaming/torrent sites have spurred the industry to embrace 21st century technology. Had the industry had its way, we'd either be importing expensive DVDs from Japan or waiting until the anime is localized and released on DVDs for the crazy prices that fans paid for an anime VHS (3 episodes!) in the 1990s. While the anime industry might have been more robust had streaming/torrent sites not drastically changed the game, I think that, overall, the industry would be weaker due to less exposure to anime. I'm not saying that we should present streaming/torrent sites an award for their service to anime fans worldwide. But I'm saying that they deserve at least some credit in the relative speed that anime is now released outside of Japan. |
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Saffire
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Thank you for this fantastic series.
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
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Nothing hammers that home more than all the early episodes of Doctor Who that were wiped and lost forever. That machine strongly appeals the part of me that still lusts after boxes covered in buttons.
Googling the name of a show is just as bad - especially if you are looking for a blog post about of a particular episode for reference - google "nisemonogatari episode 5" and the entire first page is streaming sites. Crunchyroll doesn't appear until page 2. And because I clearly don't quote him enough, a lot of this interview with Jonathan clements is relevant: http://media-without-borders.blogspot.com/2011/11/jonathan-clements-e-mail-interview.html The "No Format" article from SMC that is referenced can be read in Google Books.
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I have to ask - have you ever read the comments on YouTube and Crunchyroll? ^^; |
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redcar
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Thanks for the trio of articles, Justin! Learned a lot of stuff here that I never knew before.
By saying "unsuspecting and uneducated fans" it sounds like he was referring to people just getting into anime. While the majority of current fans may be well-educated, and willing to spend money on the things they love, the industry cannot be sustained if all the new fans never even learn they can (or need to) spend. Just as with other things in life, people leave anime all the time, and those spenders that leave need to be replaced by fresh blood. I do, however, think a certain mitigating factor to this issue often goes unnoticed: the aging fan. A teenager that starts out watching every illegal stream under the sun may well begin to collect merchandise--once they pass into college and beyond and begin having disposable income. I think the problem arises when this type of fan a) leaves anime before they have a chance to give back or b) are led by habit never to support anime, always to continue illegal streaming alone. There's not much to be done about group a, and there are always going to be people in group b, but I think the anime companies' attempts at connecting with the fans is a step in the right direction towards minimizing group b. As long as the industry can find ways to nurture new fans, and make it easy for them to support the things they love when they become able, I feel like things will turn out ok. All that being said, I still drool when I think of the places anime could go if everyone paid a quarter to the creators for each episode they consumed outside of legal channels |
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invalidname
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Justin: I get Anime Network "On Demand" as part of my DirecTV package. Is there any meaningful flow of money from my DirecTV subscriber fee back to AN (and ultimately back to Japan) as part of this, or is it only valuable as an advertisement for DVDs from Sentai (and [rarely] partners like Nozomi)?
Also, would a VOD network get a straight per-subscriber fee, or would it be based on the actual number of episodes downloaded by subscribers? |
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jsevakis
Former ANN Editor in Chief
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The Anime Network's business model is a patchwork, based on whatever level of carriage they could get with each cable and satellite operator. I don't think any of them are paying TAN a subscriber percentage like the big cable networks/conglomerates get, so that revenue is probably not happening. If you're paying anything extra for it in your area (either on a per-show or a monthly fee basis), that money is mostly going to them. But if it's just free, it's likely just marketing. But even if it is, hey, you know what? That's their decision to offer it for free, so I certainly can't fault you for taking it! You're already an engaged fan, you know where to get the DVDs if you want them, and they're probably making you sit through a few promos before the show starts. That doesn't seem like such a terrible deal to me, but yeah, I can't really check an "I supported the industry" checkbox for that one. |
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agila61
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"Not paying" and "refusing to pay" are two quite different things. Every time there is a disruption in the bootleg anime supply chain, Crunchyroll forums are flooded by those that have had their viewing habits disrupted, and many of them state quite categorically that the site is legit, series "X" that has been available free streaming for several years and is coming out on DVD "is not available in the US", etc.
Andy many of them are the same fans that do not spend on dollar of their money in a way that sees any funds flow to the industry creating the media that they enjoy. The various surveys that report that 5% to 25% of consumers of bootleg media also buy that media implies (1) that 75% to 95% don't, and (2) that appreciably less than 5% to 25% spend money on everything they consume as a bootleg. Watching 8 series a season and buying one of them a year would count in the 5% to 25% "who also buy that media", but being the production committees for those 32 cours with a 3.125% to 6.5% chance of being the lucky production committee that got that sale is not a very lucrative proposition.
Oh, no, give them an award, as long as its a "retirement from US distribution" award, because any incremental benefit that they might have arguably provided in the past, for the majority of series each season that are licensed for streaming, at present they're just parasites in the gut of the industry. |
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Veers
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Thanks for the interesting write-ups, Justin!
spoiler[inb4 fansub ethics shitstorm] |
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invalidname
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No extra charge on DirecTV, just a bonus if you have the DVR. Still, it might not be unreasonable to take it as a marketing cost for Section 23 & friends, in the spirit of the late night TV runs in Japan. I wouldn't have bought Clannad and Revolutionary Girl Utena on DVD had I not seen them on AN (and yes, the latter was the dubbed, not-yet-restored CPM version of Utena). Last edited by invalidname on Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:37 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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pachy_boy
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Mr. Sevakis, thank you very much for your insightful articles and helping us all better understand how things work. I definitely enjoyed reading them!
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