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Animefreak6969



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:37 am Reply with quote
Steventheeunuch wrote:
Animefreak6969 wrote:

nah, i find holding shift or leaving capslock on to be inconveniant. Anime smile


The point, in a more direct way, is that for all Anime has to offer, being in a career that I enjoy where I have to make these sacrifices for the sake of image is more important than imported japanese cartoons. This doesn't mean i don't like it, but im not going to cons, putting up posters, or any of that crap (I don't anyway) or openly expressing some kind of fanboy love (which I don't). Anime is inconsequential to the big picture as far as I am concerned, and I guess the original message I am saying is that well, yes, you can stop being 'otaku' or part of anime fandom. You just need a significant draw, which is something you activley have to look for, usually.


ya but like Richard J. stated, there arent many professions which REALLY have any concern about what you personally like in it. And i dont care about image so i dont know why people care so much about there image, if someone wont hire you for what you are then OH snap, ain't working there
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:09 am Reply with quote
Viga_of_stars wrote:
I heard occasionally on the site and places and people that they're getting out of anime. I was like WTF till my bud told me his fandom went down even though he was once prez of my school anime club and stuff.

then i thought what if im that way when itll die out or i grow ot of it. some people said i will eventually but im thinking no way! so what if im 21 i still luv anime! forever!


Anime chicks are still hot. Twisted Evil

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but what do you think? are any of you getting out of it? and why?

i still can't see how. i a big fan and i want to be one for 10 20 30 yrs maybe. is it age? reality hit you to leave the otaku world?


I can still see myself watching anime at the age of 80 - provided that I live that long.

Nevertheless, I take interersts outside of anime - for variety. To be wrapped up too much into anime such that no other interests are even worth looking at - that's not healthy.

Aside from anime, I read a bit of history, some science, play video games, look into current events, and pay attention to sports.

If you ask me, one subject people are ultimately boring - because the only thing they can talk about is that one subject. So, if anime is the only thing a person can talk about, then it is about time to learn about other things.

But of course, people tend to live their lives as they so choose to do - and it is their right - like this guy for example:
Nintendo Superfan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAhR1N5oJNA&e

Whatever floats yer boat, I suppose... Razz Razz
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Steventheeunuch





PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:52 am Reply with quote
Animefreak6969 wrote:

ya but like Richard J. stated, there arent many professions which REALLY have any concern about what you personally like in it. And i don't care about image so i don't know why people care so much about there image, if someone wont hire you for what you are then OH snap, ain't working there


It's not an isue of being "hired" so much as it is "getting clients" who expect someone who doesn't sit around and watch cartoons because it's not becoming of the service to which they're paying for.

besides, just because you don't care about your personal image doesn't mean it's totally inappropriate or strange for others to care about theirs.

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Which professions are you thinking of specifically?


Real Estate, which has a fairly shitty reputation as it is (and is fairly cutthroat and whatnot), aswell as some others.

Still standing by the whole "you can get out of Fandom, because it's kind of shameful to hang around with nerds in general if they're really awful" schtick, thouh I might come under fire for such a thing.
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Animefreak6969



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:56 am Reply with quote
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It's not an isue of being "hired" so much as it is "getting clients" who expect someone who doesn't sit around and watch cartoons because it's not becoming of the service to which they're paying for.


i dont think anybody expects it, i mean if they get the job done and does it well, although they do nothing but sit at home and watch anime all day, who cares, they did the job all happy like and finished
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Steventheeunuch





PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:34 am Reply with quote
Animefreak6969 wrote:

i don't think anybody expects it, i mean if they get the job done and does it well, although they do nothing but sit at home and watch anime all day, who cares, they did the job all happy like and finished


Look, you're allowed to believe and think what you want and continuing to push the point is pretty much useless. What you think and what hapens aren't always (if ever) the same thing.
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Animefreak6969



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:42 am Reply with quote
Steventheeunuch wrote:
Animefreak6969 wrote:

i don't think anybody expects it, i mean if they get the job done and does it well, although they do nothing but sit at home and watch anime all day, who cares, they did the job all happy like and finished


Look, you're allowed to believe and think what you want and continuing to push the point is pretty much useless. What you think and what hapens aren't always (if ever) the same thing.


okay okay......but they are a lot for me Anime smile
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:35 am Reply with quote
Steventheeunuch wrote:


It's not an isue of being "hired" so much as it is "getting clients" who expect someone who doesn't sit around and watch cartoons because it's not becoming of the service to which they're paying for.

besides, just because you don't care about your personal image doesn't mean it's totally inappropriate or strange for others to care about theirs.

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Which professions are you thinking of specifically?


Real Estate, which has a fairly shitty reputation as it is (and is fairly cutthroat and whatnot), aswell as some others.

Still standing by the whole "you can get out of Fandom, because it's kind of shameful to hang around with nerds in general if they're really awful" schtick, thouh I might come under fire for such a thing.
Ok, you obviously have no clue what you're talking about because you assume that all anime fans do is sit around doing nothing but watching cartoons all day when if you've actually paid any attention to what other ANN users said, you'll know that's clearly not true. And why should we conform to what other people like just so they won't feel uncomfortable? If somebody feels uncomfortable talking to me because I like anime, then they don't have to talk to me. I don't really care if they do or not and nobody forces them to talk to me, so why should I conform to what other people say I should do or like? And you still have not explained why what your own PERSONAL INTERESTS are has anything to do with a company's decisions to hire somebody is.

Most companies don't hire somebody because they all like the same things. That's extremely unprofessional. Most companies hire somebody because of their skill and experience and what's on their resume. Maybe things are different in whatever communist country you live in, but here in America that's infringing upon our rights to the freedom to have whatever opinion or interest we want to have and such companies that refuse to hire you because they don't have the same interests as you deserved to be sued. And what makes you think all anime fans are nerds? If you think all anime fans are nerds just because they like anime, you seriously need to meet more anime fans. Besides which, you're confusing the term nerd with geek which contrary to popular belief, are two entirely different things. And if you think anime fans can never get a job because they like anime, HOW THE HELL DO YOU THINK ANIME FANS BUY THE DVDS IN THE FIRST PLACE? And didn't you post a few weeks ago that you were never going to post here again? So, why are you back here? Stop being such an attention whore. People are going to hate you for that more than they will hate you for being an anime fan.
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Steventheeunuch





PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:54 am Reply with quote
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Ok, you obviously have no clue what you're talking about because you assume that all anime fans do is sit around doing nothing but watching cartoons all day when if you've actually paid any attention to what other ANN users said, you'll know that's clearly not true.


Re-read. I never said all of them do. I said that a lot of the ones I have met in real life are like this (atleast I think I said this), they're horrendously annoying and I simply don't want to be associated with such people, because you end up being associated with them, like it or not.

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And why should we conform to what other people like just so they won't feel uncomfortable?


I didn't say 'conform to what other people like', I mean that Anime nerds/Otaku are notorious for being fairly embarrasing to be around, and that if you don't want to be acceptable (behaviour wise, entitlement-attitude wise, etc) then don't go to places where it's not acceptable (because it happens and it's annoying).

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And you still have not explained why what your own PERSONAL INTERESTS are has anything to do with a company's decisions to hire somebody is.


No, most don't, but in the profession I'm in it doesn't affect your employment, but it can affect how prospective clients can view you. Sure, using personal interests against someone can seem very unprofessional but for cryin' out loud, not everyone is professional.

I said before, it doesn't change how you get hired (though if you are the sort of anime fan that I keep meeting, it definantly will), it just changes how people will perceive you and ultimatly that is not a good thing, especially if your job is very people-focused (no, not nessecerally retail, infact usually not).

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Most companies don't hire somebody because they all like the same things. That's extremely unprofessional. Most companies hire somebody because of their skill and experience and what's on their resume. Maybe things are different in whatever communist country you live in, but here in America that's infringing upon our rights to the freedom to have whatever opinion or interest we want to have and such companies that refuse to hire you because they don't have the same interests as you deserved to be sued.


AMERICA

BEST COUNTRY

IN WORLD IS GREAT

OH AMERICA

I MAKE WAR WITH COMMUNISM

Seriously what the hell did you just babble?

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And what makes you think all anime fans are nerds? If you think all anime fans are nerds just because they like anime, you seriously need to meet more anime fans. Besides which, you're confusing the term nerd with geek which contrary to popular belief, are two entirely different things. And if you think anime fans can never get a job because they like anime, HOW THE HELL DO YOU THINK ANIME FANS BUY THE DVDS IN THE FIRST PLACE? And didn't you post a few weeks ago that you were never going to post here again? So, why are you back here? Stop being such an attention whore. People are going to hate you for that more than they will hate you for being an anime fan.


Ohh I'd go into the attention whore thing, considering what you are and what you do, but I'm not going to. Don't like attention whores? Don't be one, don't pay attention to them.

Subsequently, I NEVER SAID ANIME FANS DO NOT GET JOBS. What I am saying is that in certian professions, there are certian standards people are held to, and anime is not held in those standards. It's also true that Anime, outside of other anime fans, is a social retardant, which shows in other anime fans which I have met (through different states, in real life, through a multitude of places) because they are insanely annoying, internet-meme parroting douchebags who I want nothing to do with.

Get it now? Anime fans are for the most part annoying. Anime fans paint a bad picture of that. For certian careers and what not, how your social life is can be influencial as to how you work. Maybe I'm speaking as if I'm more important than I actually am, but hey, maybe one day I will be. I'd like to think I'd be getting ready for that. How, I don't want to associate myself with Anime fandom (atleast in real life) because they're very annoying, so by that, you are able to "get out of the otaku fandom", and in a way it is beneficial, because those sorts of people do not provide you with any kind of benefit except for maybe more anime, which leads to more social retardation.

And yeah, sure, a lot of anime fans are not nerds, but the thing is, just because some non-nerds like anime, doesn't nessecerally make them fans because hey, they don't consider themselves fans. But all of the self professed 'fans' I've met, as I have said, are very annoying.

I could go on but it'd just go in circles.

PS. Yeah, I said I'd leave a lot of times but that was mostly just whingy sarcasm forum drama which wasn't ever meant to be taken seriously.

ALSO I'M NOW READING THIS THREAD SO DON'T REPLY TO THIS POST


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:59 am Reply with quote
Steventheeunuch wrote:
Animefreak6969 wrote:

ya but like Richard J. stated, there arent many professions which REALLY have any concern about what you personally like in it. And i don't care about image so i don't know why people care so much about there image, if someone wont hire you for what you are then OH snap, ain't working there


It's not an isue of being "hired" so much as it is "getting clients" who expect someone who doesn't sit around and watch cartoons because it's not becoming of the service to which they're paying for.

besides, just because you don't care about your personal image doesn't mean it's totally inappropriate or strange for others to care about theirs.

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Which professions are you thinking of specifically?


Real Estate, which has a fairly shitty reputation as it is (and is fairly cutthroat and whatnot), aswell as some others.

Still standing by the whole "you can get out of Fandom, because it's kind of shameful to hang around with nerds in general if they're really awful" schtick, thouh I might come under fire for such a thing.


Question, are you REALLY an anime fan? Becuase the way you're making it sound, you're making it sound that liking anime is a bad thing.

And Kouji's right, you DON'T know what you're talking about. Companies hire people for how good they are, not based on what they like. That's like saying you should single out the dumb member of a family just for who he is. Companies are like a family. The boss being the dad and the workers being the siblings. The dad has to make sure that the siblings are all working together and getting along. If the boss singles out one of his workers because of what said worker likes, that's like a father favoring one of his children more than the other. When a company employee asks "What are your interests?" he just wants to know what you're like. It's not like if you say "Well I like anime" they'll be "OHMYGOD! THis guy likes anime! We can't have you here if you like that stuff." My brother is an engineer and he likes comic books which people would consider "nerdy" but 'ey. He still got the job.

And not every anime fan spends their whole weekend watching nothing but anime. I have a life outside anime. I've got good friends, a wonderful family, and a big brother who I love more than anyone else. I play video games(My favorites being Tales of Symphonia and Megaman Legends) I go outside, I hang out with my friends. I do MUCH more than watch anime. And besides, they're JUST TELIVISION SHOWS! Should we hate people who watch Family Guy because they might want to watch that all day? Or how about Rap lovers since they might just listen to rap all day? It's stupid to hate someone for what they like. To each his own.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:02 am Reply with quote
Shonen Bat wrote:
Question, are you REALLY an anime fan? Becuase the way you're making it sound, you're making it sound that liking anime is a bad thing.


1. No, I'm not an Anime fan. I haven't been for a few years now, because I pulled myself out of it.

2. Congrats on being someone else who once again didn't take what I said properly because they're too wrapped up in thinking that somehow liking anime is "A OKAY" anytime all the time and completely missing the point.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 1:47 pm Reply with quote
Steventheeunuch wrote:
Shonen Bat wrote:
Question, are you REALLY an anime fan? Becuase the way you're making it sound, you're making it sound that liking anime is a bad thing.


2. Congrats on being someone else who once again didn't take what I said properly because they're too wrapped up in thinking that somehow liking anime is "A OKAY" anytime all the time and completely missing the point.


I MISSED THE POINT?! Did YOU even read what I wrote? I DO like anime but that's not ALL I think about. Like I said, I have a life, a good family, wonderful friends, and an awesome brother. I watch other shows than anime shows(Beavis and Butthead, South Park and Drawn Together are just some of the shows I watch). I DO have friends that like anime but we DO talk about other stuff. while I am an anime junkie, my life, my friends and everyone else come first.

Why do you even stay here if you're not an anime fan? And WHY are you thinking I think it's alright to like anime all the time? Let people like what they like. It's not a big deal. I already posted that I watch other stuff than simply anime. And if you want to argue go ahead, but I'm staying out of this so there won't be another incident like with Mohawk52.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:26 pm Reply with quote
Steventheeunuch wrote:
Kouji wrote:
Ok, you obviously have no clue what you're talking about because you assume that all anime fans do is sit around doing nothing but watching cartoons all day when if you've actually paid any attention to what other ANN users said, you'll know that's clearly not true.

Re-read. I never said all of them do. I said that a lot of the ones I have met in real life are like this (atleast I think I said this), they're horrendously annoying and I simply don't want to be associated with such people, because you end up being associated with them, like it or not.


I think one should value every opportunity to be associated with someone to the point that they consider each other friends. How they act or what they are into should not influence whether you can form a good relationship with that person. Yes some people act foolishly but that should not be a reason to automatically not like someone or shunt them out from possibly ever being your friend. If you value composure and what others perceive of you over actual relationships then you are in a far worse position than any otaku who is struggling in their career or professional lives.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:57 pm Reply with quote
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Congrats on being someone else who once again didn't take what I said properly because they're too wrapped up in thinking that somehow liking anime is "A OKAY" anytime all the time and completely missing the point.


because liking it anytime and all the time IS "A OKAY". Thereis nothing wrong with it, ever.
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