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necrokorn



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:01 pm Reply with quote
I have a music cd and well its not in good shape, its cracked almost all the way but last time i played it it still worked.

the thing i want to know is if it would be illegal to download the cd if i have it already? btw i dont wanna copy it to my harddrive cus its cracked so bad i think it might shatter if i play it again
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LuckySleven



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:20 am Reply with quote
Yes it is illegal and sadly enough I suggest that you will have to buy another copy of that music CD. And if you do decide to by another copy then I strongly suggest that you take better care of it.
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necrokorn



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:27 am Reply with quote
LuckySleven wrote:
Yes it is illegal and sadly enough I suggest that you will have to buy another copy of that music CD. And if you do decide to by another copy then I strongly suggest that you take better care of it.


o well Sad thanks for reply and btw i took very good care of it but it got a crack in the middle that kept geting bigger Shocked
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DragonsRevenge



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:43 am Reply with quote
They say it's ok if you already own it. I figure if they got your money for the product already, it doesnt matter. It's kinda like burning a back-up copy.

If it were me though, I'd buy another copy just because I prefer to have the real product as opposed to a CD-R or MP3's anyway.
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daxomni



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:16 am Reply with quote
I think it's technically illegal, but so what, just download it and keep the old disc around in case you're hauled off to court.
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jgreen



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:02 am Reply with quote
If it were me, I'd just rip the CD onto my computer while it's still playable and burn a copy. I mean, you already have the liner notes and case and all that jazz, I see no point in paying for all of it again.
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darksideoftheanime



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:11 pm Reply with quote
You would think it would be legal since you already own the CD, but I guess lawmakers have a different idea. I don’t recommend you go against the law ($250,000 is a lot of money), but in all honesty the RIAA would probably have an easier time convicting someone who downloads 4,000 songs off P2P sites then someone who downloads 15 songs and already owns the CD (but anything is possible with the RIAA).
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fighterholic



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:39 pm Reply with quote
There is nothing wrong with making an extra copy of the CD and keeping it around, so as long as you're not making 50 copies and just handing it off to friends or selling it, because then you're pirating the material.
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pat_payne



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:16 pm Reply with quote
fighterholic wrote:
There is nothing wrong with making an extra copy of the CD and keeping it around, so as long as you're not making 50 copies and just handing it off to friends or selling it, because then you're pirating the material.


In fact, according to the law, IIRC, it is legal to make one backup copy of any media you own. Back in the days of VHS tapes, the RIAA and MPAA actually cooperated with Memorex, et. al to add a small invisible surcharge on all recording media to cover the cost of people making recordings of albums, IIRC.
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d.yaro



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:26 pm Reply with quote
Question: Wouldn't owning a backup copy constitute "fair use" (or something like that) under normal circumstances? I'm saying "under normal circumstances" here because we're dealing with a case where the original purchased media is no longer playable and I suspect that condition is an exception to the "fair use" argument. Just wondering...
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Fallout2man



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:08 pm Reply with quote
d.yaro wrote:
Question: Wouldn't owning a backup copy constitute "fair use" (or something like that) under normal circumstances? I'm saying "under normal circumstances" here because we're dealing with a case where the original purchased media is no longer playable and I suspect that condition is an exception to the "fair use" argument. Just wondering...


Making a backup copy of physical media directly onto physical media is definitely considered fair use...UNLESS the thing you're copying has access-controls put on it to prevent copying. In that case, even though it is fair use to make a backup, the Digital Millennium Copyright act supercedes all types of fair use except those explicitly specified in DMCA revisions (right now it's mostly just converting e-books so the blind can have them read to them via text to speech.)

Now, copying your CD onto your computer as mp3s is a bit different. space-shifting has had some cases won for and against in the USA and it's still a grey area. it may be considered permissible but it hasn't had a precedent firmly established in the legal system yet so that means it still needs more trials. You'd probably never get sued yourself but legally it's officially in a grey spot.
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Meson



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:33 am Reply with quote
It depends on what you do with theh files once on your computer. The DMCA allows recordings, provided it does not break the copy mechanism (ie. you can copy the sound as the CD plays, but not directly transfer the cda files). This is provided that you don't allow any one else have access to your copies.
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Eruanna



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:37 am Reply with quote
I would just rip it. If that didn't work, then I would download it.
Actually I probably would re purchase it myself, just because I personally like having the actually product instead of mp3's on my computer. But I really dont see any moral objections to dowloading it when you already own it. Legal objections, yeah, but.... aw heck, nobody really cares. The people they are trying to crack down on are the ones who are causing real problems. Thats not you.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:16 pm Reply with quote
necrokorn wrote:
I have a music cd and well its not in good shape, its cracked almost all the way but last time i played it it still worked.

the thing i want to know is if it would be illegal to download the cd if i have it already? btw i don't wanna copy it to my harddrive cus its cracked so bad i think it might shatter if i play it again


Technically illegal, but in no way immoral. I'd say go ahead and download a copy. Just don't share the download with anyone.

-t
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Hydrith



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:07 am Reply with quote
necrokorn wrote:
I have a music cd and well its not in good shape, its cracked almost all the way but last time i played it it still worked.

the thing i want to know is if it would be illegal to download the cd if i have it already? btw i don't wanna copy it to my harddrive cus its cracked so bad i think it might shatter if i play it again


Don't even risk it. It's been in the news alot lately about how the RIAA has been suing LOTS of people lately for having downloaded music on their computers. As I recall, a woman in Minnesota recently got sued over $120,000 for having 140 songs on her computer. It isn't worth the risk.

If you want to download music, make sure it isn't copyrighted in the US or covered by the RIAA. You might just find your way into court if you do.
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