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Doctor who
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Why is it where ever I go I can count on at least one person sitting in the manga isle reading on the floor? It's bad enough you're pretty much stealing but do you have to get in everyones way as well? What's worse is there are generally chairs not ten feet away, but no they sit in the isle. I'm not going to pretend I've never read in the stores, but I only do it to see if I like a series enough to buy it, and I never sit in an isle. I don't enjoy reading this was, I could just down load them if I wanted that. But sometimes it's hard to tell if you will dig a book before reading it a bit.
It bugs me when people take a stack and read them. More because they never take care of them than anything else. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people read a stack and forcefully shove it anywhere they want on a shelf. Asses like that are the reason I didn't buy the volume of blame I wanted. Because sure enough it was dog eared because some one had man handeled it. How about monster? Not it has tears in the back because some one shoved it in wrong. So how do you feel about this none sense? |
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NinjaUmbreon
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I don't read in book stores, but I've seen a few people do it. I tend to just give manga I'm interested in a quick flip though to see if I want to buy it. Although if people what to read a book and not pay for it they should uses a libary.
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bllanosr
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I don't read in the stores, and I can see how that would upset you. I just bought a couple of mangas and just found out that one of them had been dog-eared and one page was ripped (slightly, about 1/4 of the page from tthe bottom to the top). It upsets me too, but I just get over it quickly. Personally I just pick up volumes by word of mouth, author, or how the cover looks. Personally I think author has more of an influence on me than anything else.
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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I don't think you're practically stealing by reading it in the store. If they didn't want you to then everything would be shrink wrapped. If they aren't then what do you expect? Plus many people won't buy something, like a manga series, until they've read a volume or two and found out if they even like it. I won't buy a manga series unless I'm sure I like it. Besides, at least the people are READING, and not being little a'holes running up and down the malls acting like jerkoffs. I can deal with the floor reader much easier then the loud mouth idiots. Plus, if they're in the way on the floor why not simply ask them to move or tell a worker at the bookstore? Seems pretty simple to me.
As for how they treat the books, again if it bothers you sooooo much why not simply say something politely? I know this is a foreign concept to most people but you know asking nicely does work sometimes believe it or not. Personally, I read volumes all the time and I always treat them the same way I treat my own collection. Then again I also worked retail for many years and have this OCD issue where I have to make sure things are in order. All retail workers suffer from something I think  Unfortunately though people will always treat books, movies, or anything else that's not there with no respect. Nowadays that's how people are raised, or should I say not raised. Personal responsibility and respect are ideas that just aren't popular and most people don't go by. Be mad all you want but it won't change it. If you're so upset over how those floor laying little bastards treat the mangas/books then once again say something. I was raised with the idea that if something bothers you then say something. If you don't then you don't have the right to bitch about it. Too many people complain, and too few actually do anything. Not saying beat them senseless, as fun as it may be, but politely say something. They act ignorant then go tell the staff they're ripping the books. That'll get their attention.
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AstroNerdBoy
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Some big chains encourage reading of books by setting up places with comfy chairs and even places for laptops. Reading something in a book store is no more stealing than borrowing a copy from a friend and reading that.
That said, it is rude if someone is reading in an aisle and is oblivious to everything around them. It is also rude and irritating if someone reading a manga (or other book for that matter) damages it in the process. I usually take any damaged books I find to the counter. The stores usually put the book as a return and get credit for it. |
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Pinkwings
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When I see someone sitting on the floor reading manga and I need to go by because I am looking for something, I simply tell them to move. I do it nicely though. I never read a full manga/manwa in a store. Maybe just a few pages to see if the story and art catch my interest but not the whole thing. I also dont do it in the middle of the manga isles like I see some people doing. It is very annoying and rude.
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Doctor who
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How is it not stealing? You're enjoying someone elses work and not spending a dime. You aren't just paying for paper, but ideas as well. It's no less stealing than downloading , no matter how many mental back flips you do to prove to yourself otherwise. And many are shrink wrapped although for a different reason.
This has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. And what's more were talking about quite books stores here, not running around and yelly is pretty much standard.
What makes you think I don't? The fact is I shouldn't have to, they should have the common sense to not sit in an isle. Nowhere else is this allowed why would this be different?
Say what to who, the book? Who am I supposed to say "please don't bend the corners" to if the books just sitting there like that?
That's fine, I have no problems with that at all. It's people who are rude and destructive I take issue with.
That would get nothing done but most likely get me in a fight.
I really doubt the store is going to like people reading 6-7 volumes free of charge. They aren't your friend, they want to make money. And the chair thing is funny because generally the people sitting on the floor have the option of using a chair not ten feet away. |
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smoochy
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I agree with you Doctor Who. This has been a problem with me, just seeing people who wouldn't read manga if it wasn't free. |
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Asako
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I find it irritating as well but I do know that some people don't have enough money to enjoy all they want to read. I think this is why I loved the idea of the manga places in Japan where you pay an entrance fee and can read whatever manga they have on their shelves. Of course you can't leave with it but they also serve you drinks and food. Unfortunately I don't believe it's popular enough outside of Japan to be a prosperous business.
But back to the main topic. I went to a borders to look for specific manga and they had one and a half aisles worth. In that one cramped aisle there were 7-8 people sitting or leaning against the shelves just reading their hearts out while I'm a customer that WILL spend money. I find that very irritating. I ended up leaving without buying anything at all because I could only see the first shelves at the end of the aisles. I also hate the condition that the books are in. I'm paying full price and I get used book quality. There are some people who do take precaution to not damage the book and put them back neatly, but there are some that don't. But in all fairness, if the conditions of the book bothers you so much, perhaps you should order online. Sometimes it's even cheaper to do so if you find the right places 
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Doctor who
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I buy books from amazon like clockwork, but I do like having something new to read during work when I get home etc etc. |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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If it's stealing Dr. Who why do stores set up areas where you can read? Why do they set up those big comfy chairs where you can sit down and read a few chapters of your favorite book or manga? How about the tables in the cafes hmmm? HOw about the small tables in various locations of the store? Your line of thinking seems to imply if you read anything without paying for it you're stealing. I just find this idea simply ridiculous. How is this any different then getting a book from the library? You don't pay for a library card. Are you saying that's stealing too? I mean the difference between reading a manga in B&N or your local library is what?
As for asking them to move, why would you have to get into a fight? Can't you ask someone nicely to move? Is that really that hard for you to do? Seems to me you simply don't want to have to do it at all period. I can understand that and no, people shouldn't have to be asked to move from the floor. It's bad manners if nothing else. The simple fact is the world doesn't revolve around you or I. It's not based on what we want. People have to be flexible and bend and not be rigid. Just because you shouldn't have to ask them to move doesn't mean you won't be in that position anyway. Instead of saying how that would simply lead to a fight why don't you simply try being reasobale yourself. You're rigidty and unwillingness to simply ask someone something politely is no more helpful then those people being rude sitting in the middle of the floor manhandling the books. Gotta learn to accept we don't get what we want so instead of being angry about it try doing something constructive. Ask them to move and if it doesn't work simply tell a worker. It's not hard. If you also get so angry over something so trivial it makes me wonder what you'd be like if someone accidentally tripped you in a hallway. I mean honestly, this anger you seem to have over people sitting on the floor, is this really some grave topic? I personally fail to see why anyone should get so angry over something so simple. |
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digitalkikka
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Most libraries now have manga collections. Nothing upsets me more then going into Borders and finding that the volume of a series I want is all torn up or looks like it has been read 14 times. When I'm buying something full price I want it to be in new condition. I understand looking through a book before you buy it, but clogging the aisle and reading in a bookstore when you have no intention on buying is wrong. Like Doctor who said, even though you can always buy manga online it's sometimes nice to have that instant gratification. |
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Drowning_Wolf
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NO! They should not be reading those manga if not buying them! In fact I think every book should be shrink wrapped to ensure they are in their best form, I want my stuff in perfect condition.
You know sometime I wish I wasn't that obsessive. 
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Doctor who
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So you can read a sample amount, not so you can blow through all 10 volumes of death note without paying one red cent.
Because borders isn't goverment funded that's why. They need those sales to stay in buisness.
Because people feel they are entitled to do whatever they damn well please and no one least of all some stranger is going to tell them otherwise.
My regidness has nothing at all to do with why I don't say "stop acting like a slob." However what does impact it is it A. isn't my floor and B.aren't my books. How they hell am I supposed to tell them to stop using things that aren't mine or sitting on a floor that also isn't mine. It isn't my place to teach them things they should have learned at the age of 6.
Again it isn't my place to tell them. I have no vested interest in there floor or books and if the employes don't care enough to do anything about it, well that's not really me fault is it?
They would most likely say "i'm sorry" and I would say "it's alright." You're comparing an accident to people destroying things that aren't theirs and just being rude. This is not apples to apples.
Seing as how you are the only one who hasn't agreed yet I'm going to guess that you are the only one who doesn't care. |
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fighterholic
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Being where you're in people's way is not nice, but it's pretty normal for people to read, and it's not just manga. When I go to Barnes and Noble and there's more people reading other stuff than people reading manga, obviously. If you go to a Book Off store in Japan, you'll see that that's a norm. People may buy the stuff, and they might not. All the books are used, beat up, and if people read them and not buy them, then those books after a while will get put into the 105 yen (95 cents) section. That's when they sell.
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