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I don't know if I posted this in the right section, but I'm sort of in a hurry.

I found a signed Suzumiya Haruhi poster from Anime Expo 2007 signed by Hirano Aya, Chihara Minori, and Goto Yuko.

It's been in the container for the last 3 years, but it does have a small fold in one corner.

It has 7 days left with a bid of $200.

Is it worth buying, and if so, what's the highest my bid should go up to?

I probably won't have a chance to get one again, and money is not a problem, I just don't want to pay way over what it's worth.

I think "Retail" would be a better place to ask this question. Assuming it's real, i'd say that's a pretty accurate price. probably worth more

It is a piece of paper with scribbles on it, its value is zero.

OK you have to ask yourself a couple of questions.

1: Do you REALLY like Haruhi?
2: Do you think that just having the voice actors sigs on it makes it worth extra $?
3: Is there anything better that you could do with that kind of $?
4: If you do buy it, what will you do with it to keep it in good condition?
5: Is this an investment, or are you planning to keep it for the rest of your life? If an investment, do you think the "value" of that item will go up over the years?
6: MOST IMPORTANT: Is it totally legit? Do they have some sort of "proof" that it is really signed by the actors? Like a video or certificate of authenticity?

Also if it was from Anime Expo 2007, why not have ALL the actors sign it? Not just the Japanese ones? Get the whole "Haruhi Invasion" gang to sign it. You think it would be worth more if Crispin, Wendy, JYB, and the rest signed as well. Heck throw in the ASOS Brigade while you are at it.

killmyself wrote:

It is a piece of paper with scribbles on it, its value is zero.

$100 bills are also essentially pieces of paper with scribbles on them genius.

ikillchicken wrote:

killmyself wrote:

It is a piece of paper with scribbles on it, its value is zero.

$100 bills are also essentially pieces of paper with scribbles on them genius.

There's actually a pretty important difference here. (Though I think I get your point ikillchicken and agree with it.)

The poster may or may not have any authenticity and it's backing is solely what the community of buyers and sellers determine it to be. The $100 bill has legal authority providing it with a determinable value.

Of course, if the public loses enough faith in the currency and the government can't convince other governments of it's value, it does become nothing but paper with scribbles on it. It usually takes a pretty severe economic event to make currency totally worhtless though so it's not typically a concern. (And God do I hope we're not heading in that direction right now.)

In the case of the Haruhi poster, it could be considered value-less now (if determined to be a fake) or in the future (turns out no one cares about those sigs in a few years.)

So, really, if the OP is asking about it as an investment, the answer is clearly "dude, buy something else" but if they're just asking how high to bid before reaching "I'm getting ripped off" levels then it's just a matter of how bad does he want it.

Without any strong proof of authenticity, I'd be pretty wary of buying any signed item like that. And personally, I wouldn't pay $200 or more of a signed poster anyway.

If studying economics has taught me one thing it's that if you wanna buy something you need look at the items "true" cost.

By that I mean you need to look at the next best alternative you could use that money for. regardless of the price if the next best way you could use that money isn't as good in your opinion as the poster, then you should buy it.

People often think of cost as a matter of price when making purchases. When really I believe they should be focusing more on the alternative uses for that money.

Richard J. wrote:

ikillchicken wrote:

killmyself wrote:

It is a piece of paper with scribbles on it, its value is zero.

$100 bills are also essentially pieces of paper with scribbles on them genius.

There's actually a pretty important difference here. (Though I think I get your point ikillchicken and agree with it.)

Well just to clarify, my point is basically that declaring it's value to be zero merely because it serves no immediate practical purpose is stupid. Obviously the value of an item is also determined by the value we as people collectively place on it. Evidently a lot of people value something signed by a celebrity. That may or may not be silly but it doesn't mean it's not valuable.

I certainly agree with what you're saying. The item may certainly not be worth what it costs on ebay and certainly it's legitimacy is a tremendously important issue that must not be taken for granted. It's also definitely not a good investment.

Let me put it this way: How much do you think an autographed 8th Man poster would go for today? Or even a Gunbuster one? Pop culture, especially niche pop culture, is a tricky beast to price becuase so little retains its popularity. Basically, it's worth what someone will pay for it right now (which is apparently $200.)

Your bid, if any, should be how much you're willing (and can afford) to pay for it, knowing full well the chance of you recouping that money in a few years is all but zero. Think carefully... and remember most folks bid in the last 30 seconds of the auction, so the price could still skyrocket.

ikillchicken wrote:

Richard J. wrote:

ikillchicken wrote:

killmyself wrote:

It is a piece of paper with scribbles on it, its value is zero.

$100 bills are also essentially pieces of paper with scribbles on them genius.

There's actually a pretty important difference here. (Though I think I get your point ikillchicken and agree with it.)

Well just to clarify, my point is basically that declaring it's value to be zero merely because it serves no immediate practical purpose is stupid. Obviously the value of an item is also determined by the value we as people collectively place on it. Evidently a lot of people value something signed by a celebrity. That may or may not be silly but it doesn't mean it's not valuable.

I certainly agree with what you're saying. The item may certainly not be worth what it costs on ebay and certainly it's legitimacy is a tremendously important issue that must not be taken for granted. It's also definitely not a good investment.

Value in a monetary sense isn't what one person may pay for something it is a general consensus based on quality, rarity, usefulness, and demand. In the case of memorabilia the value is zero plus whatever the item itself is worth. So a baseball signed by Nolan Ryan has a value of zero dollars plus however much a baseball costs nowadays. What you are talking about is a personal worth based on an emotional connection and you can't assign a general value to that because it is different for everyone.

If you want it just to say you have it then buy the poster for 20 dollars or whatever, get an image of their signatures, and practice them for 10 minutes and put them on it yourself. If you are buying it as an investment I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. If you want it because a couple people touched it and put their scribbles on it personally you should probably be monitored by the FBI because that is creepy and twisted.

There is a big difference between having something signed by a voice actor, and a Hall of Fame pitcher. The later will probably actually get more valueable as time goes on (see an episode of Pawn Stars for examples) due to the signer possibly dies, and nobody beats his record.

Now if this was a poster of say Star Wars, and it was signed by the actors in that movie, then it probably would be worth quite a bit more (due to it's age, the rarity of some actors signatures, and of course the condition it is in).

Like I said, if this particular poster was signed by all the people involved at Anime Expo 2007, then it might be worth what people are asking on that site (which sounds a lot like E-Bay).

Also like several people have said, if you do actaully bid on it, make sure it is 100% legit.

killmyself:

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Value in a monetary sense isn't what one person may pay for something it is a general consensus based on quality, rarity, usefulness, and demand.

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In the case of memorabilia the value is zero plus whatever the item itself is worth. So a baseball signed by Nolan Ryan has a value of zero dollars plus however much a baseball costs nowadays.

If value takes into account rarity and demand then obvious that second sentence is false. A baseball signed by Nolan Ryan is of course going to be vastly more rare than a regular baseball. You also can't possibly deny that while you may personally think it's stupid, a lot of people would love to own such a baseball. Hence demand is very high as well.

Really though, all this pedantry is irrelevant. You can nitpick over terminology and air your personal issues with the value of memorabilia but it's painfully clear that this is not what the topic is asking. Clearly memorabilia does regularly sell at a high price. The guy is obviously asking what an item like this will usually sell for. Telling him it's worthless and insulting him are obviously neither helpful, nor relevant, nor appropriate.

ikillchicken wrote:

Well just to clarify, my point is basically that declaring it's value to be zero merely because it serves no immediate practical purpose is stupid. Obviously the value of an item is also determined by the value we as people collectively place on it. Evidently a lot of people value something signed by a celebrity. That may or may not be silly but it doesn't mean it's not valuable.

That's what I thought your point was but I didn't want to put too many words in your mouth/post.

I agree with your point here and your previous comment that the declaration of worthlessness, though perhaps having a certain logical merit, was inaccurate in application here and the post in which it was made was otherwise neither helpful, relevant or appropriate.

My own comment was mostly intended to explore the angle of the objective value (like if the poster is an investment) vs. the fan value so OP could have the objective value issued discussed in a useful rather than a derogatory way.

At the end of the day, the poster is worth whatever OP and other fans are willing to pay now. In the future, it's unlikely to maintain that value. I feel it's important for any fan collector to keep that reality in mind and to note that outside of their fandom, the item may be seen as nearly worthless. It puts the purchase in perspective and encourages a moment of reflection before an "OMG! The Haruhi!" impulse buy occurs. ($200 would buy a lot of other anime/manga related items after all. OP better be sure it's legit before committing that cash since the chances of getting it back from future re-sale are slim even if it IS legit.)

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