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Dust2



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:06 am Reply with quote
year end. Doable?

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20090304f1.html

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"Anime-related profits in the United States, especially DVDs, are dwindling," said Keisuke Iwata, director of animation channel AT-X.

"Thanks to megahits such as 'Evangelion' and 'Pokemon,' Japanese animation has fared well in the past. But it has already maxed out as an export industry," Iwata explained, adding that besides the lack of big-name titles and a decrease in overseas airplay in recent years, the greatest obstacle lies in the illegal Internet sites that provide free content.

"These sites upload programs almost immediately after they are broadcast in Japan," accompanied with "fan subs" — English subtitles translated by fans," Iwata said. "This is causing a very big dent in sales."

To counter the trend, TV Tokyo tied up with popular San Francisco-based animation-sharing site Crunchyroll in January, offering some of TV Tokyo's popular titles in advertisement-free, high-quality format with subtitles for a monthly fee of $6.95.

Yukio Kawasaki, manager of TV Tokyo's animation business department, said the move was an attempt to create a legitimate distribution channel between animation producers and overseas fans, as well as a way to send out a message.

"Animation isn't free. It's the product of hard work and a lot of money, and we cannot continue producing quality content without the financial help from fans," Kawasaki said, explaining that if the strategy succeeds, they could expand by selling DVDs and comic books on the site, "like Amazon.com," and establish a valid business model.

Kawasaki said they have signed up more than 10,000 fee-paying members since the tieup began Jan. 8 and hope to reach 50,000 by the end of this year.

"We are seriously concerned that the industry will not survive if things go on like this," he said, acknowledging that whether their new plan succeeds or not, the structural issue undermining the industry will still exist.


Who here have Crunchyroll membership?
Who here watch it for free?

Will the new crunchyroll be successful?

If DVD quality is a 10, how would you rate crunchyroll h264 video, its 480p video and 720p video?

Also, which anime that won't be licensed that you would like to see on crunchyroll?

In my opinion, if an anime has a 1% chance or less of getting license, might as well sell it to crunchyroll and get some ad and subscription revenue. A win for content creator. A win for crunchyroll. A win for fans who want to watch said anime.
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TheresaJayne



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:13 am Reply with quote
If they made more shows available in the UK then they would get more people in the UK to purchase, the only thing they are currently doing is Gintama that i am interested in.
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Mitsuho



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:36 am Reply with quote
I have a free CR account.

I tried the Strike Witches distribution format where it was free for 24hours and then a per episode fee after that. I haven't gone back to check out the unlimited but TV Tokyo has some good shows but it's just one station...

CR video quality was good enough for me. Not stage6 but then again it doesn't suffer the same buffering problems on America's substandard network.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:27 am Reply with quote
I have watched a few shows on CR, and honestly, i believe they are fairly high quality. The only thing im not a fan of is not being able to download them and keep them. but either way i already signed up for it. Its a pretty good deal and not overly expensive. I opted for the 3 month option, which is about the same as what i pay for my MMO suscriptions for 1 month. Its a good way of supporting the industry. so i do not really see much of a downside to it. Also, being able to watch the anime from anywhere and not needing to be home to do so is always a plus.
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quikbeam1



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:29 am Reply with quote
The biggest issue as to why I see that might hinder them getting their estimated number out there is the lack of advertisement for it. For example, the sign ups became available about 2 months ago. and i had not heard of it till today. So people like me that are willing to pay for their anime, as long as its current dont really know that crunchy roll is offering this service.
I had only heard of Bost TV, which was fairly dissapointing.
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Annf



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:46 am Reply with quote
In other news, I hope I earn $10,000,000 this year...


I do have a Crunchroll subscription, though.
I’ve been marathoning Shugo Chara. Amu is really, really cute.

The higher resolutions are better than the rest of their streams, but I’m pretty sure the shows CR has available in 720p are all digital SD productions to begin with, so the 720p stream is only useful because their 480p streams are in fact only 400 lines...

I don't know much about video encoding, but they seem to have focused on frame quality rather than frame rate, and the bitrate itself is low-ish (I think it was around 450kbps on the 480p, 900kbps on the 720p). The images are clear and clean but jerky on pans and zooms.

I'm very glad for additional legit access to shows (I don’t pirate anything in any form) and, while I sympathize with people who dislike CR’s history and the idea of them being rewarded for it, at this point I’m more interested in cheering on TV Tokyo than in punishing CR.
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walw6pK4Alo



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:49 am Reply with quote
If we say DVD quality is a ten, then we can only compare 480p video files. Sure an amazingly encoded 480p file can look great, but 720p will simply have more data. In that case, DVD itself can only rank about 6 or 7, and then CR would be around 2 or 3.

Streaming is fine for those who want it, but I prefer more control of my shows in my own video players. So for me it's not a viable solution. And there are people who are far more militant about this view than I am.

To continue their success they're going to need to keep getting more titles all the time. But it's obvious that for newer titles, they won't really be getting the A-list stuff.
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Dust2



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:13 pm Reply with quote
Another revenue stream that could be very important for crunchyroll is ad revenue (for free membership).

Hulu is generating over $100 mil in ad revenue alone for 2008.

Its CPM (cost per thousands viewers) is about $30. Which translate to about 3 cents per viewer per 30 seconds ad.

So each viewer that watch an anime on hulu for free is contributing $0.09 for each episode. Hulu keeps 30% and the content provider keeps 70%.

I'm pretty sure hulu is looking at crunchyroll and exploring about having fee-paying membership. Subscription will get you commercial free TV contents (24, House, The Office, Heroes, Family Guy, Arrested Development etc..) and in higher resolution (720p instead of 480p). Think of it like HBO but online. I wouldn't be surprised if hulu could get around 250,000 paying members for around $6 a month.

Interestingly, from Alexa traffic ranking, hulu is about twice as popular as crunchyroll. However, youtube is like 100 times more visited than hulu.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:17 pm Reply with quote
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
If we say DVD quality is a ten, then we can only compare 480p video files. Sure an amazingly encoded 480p file can look great, but 720p will simply have more data. In that case, DVD itself can only rank about 6 or 7, and then CR would be around 2 or 3.

Streaming is fine for those who want it, but I prefer more control of my shows in my own video players. So for me it's not a viable solution. And there are people who are far more militant about this view than I am.

To continue their success they're going to need to keep getting more titles all the time. But it's obvious that for newer titles, they won't really be getting the A-list stuff.


If DVD quality is ten how can DVD quality also be six or seven? As that would mean it's no longer the baseline and there is something that is a better release that is equivalent to a 6 or 7 DVD quality.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:12 am Reply with quote
LordRedhand wrote:
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
If we say DVD quality is a ten, then we can only compare 480p video files. Sure an amazingly encoded 480p file can look great, but 720p will simply have more data. In that case, DVD itself can only rank about 6 or 7, and then CR would be around 2 or 3.

Streaming is fine for those who want it, but I prefer more control of my shows in my own video players. So for me it's not a viable solution. And there are people who are far more militant about this view than I am.

To continue their success they're going to need to keep getting more titles all the time. But it's obvious that for newer titles, they won't really be getting the A-list stuff.


If DVD quality is ten how can DVD quality also be six or seven? As that would mean it's no longer the baseline and there is something that is a better release that is equivalent to a 6 or 7 DVD quality.


BluRay and re-encoded TV transport streams easily trump DVD, especially when you consider h.264 compression versus mpeg2.

If we simply disregard HD and focus on pure 480p files, then DVD will tend to hover around 8-10 in terms of video quality. I can't give it a perfect 10 because different companies author discs in different ways. If we're talking about Japanese pressings, probably more like 9-10. CR is still lower on the list.
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Richard J.



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:23 pm Reply with quote
Hey, can someone give me a rundown of CR's anime subscription benefits? For instance, if a show isn't streaming but has downloads up, does that subscription mean you don't have to pay as much or at all for the downloads or what? (Curious since I'd like to watch Strike Witches and CR's site is kinda hard to find answers on.)
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wandering-dreamer



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:53 pm Reply with quote
I have a free account there and I would much rather wait a week to see anime than pay to see it right now. I'm just cheap like that.
@Richard: Here's their page for the anime subscription, I'm not sure if you actually can download anime from them. http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime_membership?src=topbar
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Mistypearl



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:57 pm Reply with quote
Wow, well if they already have 10,000...then 50,000 could be possible.

I, myself, am waiting for a bit more of selection, though with Shugo Chara and Skip Beat, I might get a subscription for my birthday.

Also I'm a free user, and I recently got an email for a free 2 week trial (offer ends soon) which is nice. I don't think I'll take it up though, since again, I only have Skip Beat and Shugo Chara to watch on Crunchyroll.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:43 pm Reply with quote
I went and got a year subscription the week before they started showing new Naruto episodes. Really the only reason I got it was to watch Naruto and Natsume Yujinchou. My computer is set at 720p through an HDMI cable and I can say for sure that CR's 720p is based on screen resolution, not picture quality. Naruto's picture quality is worse than even some speed subs' quality, around YouTube quality, the picture is grainy, full of artifacts, and the colors fade, bleed and run horribly. It gets a 5 out of 10 from. Natsume at 480p on the other hand is actually better quality than the Naruto 720p quality, I might give that a 7 out of 5. What this probably means is that CR isn't getting very good source material to work with to begin with so it doesn't actually matter what resolution they provide.

Richard J. wrote:
Hey, can someone give me a rundown of CR's anime subscription benefits? For instance, if a show isn't streaming but has downloads up, does that subscription mean you don't have to pay as much or at all for the downloads or what? (Curious since I'd like to watch Strike Witches and CR's site is kinda hard to find answers on.)


I'm afraid there's no discount on downloadable titles with a membership. It's still $3 - $5 per episode.

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xia83



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I signed up for CR just to get the latest Skip Beat, which is nice.
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