Forum - View topicWhat do you think of this statement that Stan Lee made?
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nhat
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I will highlight bold the important arts for people who has a short attention span, lol.
In the panel at NYCC, you said that there was a lot of back and forth on Ultimo - to be expected on any collaboration. But was there any part of your original story that was particular important for you to maintain? No. Because this is going to go into a Japanese comic. And nobody knows what the Japanese public wants more than the people that I'm working with, and more than an artist like Hiroyuki. So I have not been insistent about anything. I just wrote the initial story; they're keeping the basis of the story, but they're doing it in their own style, in their own way. And that's fine with me, because it's actually going to be fun to see how a story that I started will be interpreted by these very talented guys in Japan. So you're not just writing an American comic and then having it illustrated in Japan. No, that wouldn't make sense. Then it wouldn't be manga. It would just be an American comic illustrated be a Japanese artist. Citation: Mulilins, Summer. "HE'S THE MAN." Anime Insider Aug. 2008: 13-13. I typed this up fast so any typos are probably my fault if there is any. Discuss. |
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nhat
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To the mods:
If I didn't cite it correctly or need to do more, just let me know. It has been years since I had an English class. As to start the discussion about Stan Lee's partial interview. Stan Lee, for most people, defined the way comics are today and continue to be the largest influence in the comic industry. Stan Lee's words holds true since he helped developed the comic industry and history. I believe that each region has a way to distinguish and define materialistic or abstract things. A visual book, in America is a comic and a comic coming from Japan is manga. If we start to call all things that look like manga style, than what is there to distinguish manga and comic to an average person? |
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SharinganEye
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Post this also in the giant OEL manga piss-contest.
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ikillchicken
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Well, to me it depends what you consider the most important aspect of manga. Is it enough that something has the artistic style of manga? Or is it the Japanese writing influence that matters? Either way it is just a word. I personally think that "OEL" manga is fine for the sake of clarity. In a sense it may be incorrect. But it conveys that it is a comic done in manga style but by a non Japanese person (and therefore lacking that Japanese writing influence). Perhaps "Manga style comic" would be a better choice though as it conveys more clearly that it is manga in artistic style only.
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nhat
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lol yeah. That topic right now is so convoluted and almost solely about people's opinions. This topic though is a bit more grounded since we have legitimate, proven person that actually created comics and helped in making a manga. And I want to see what other people's opinion about Stan than anything else. |
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Tamaria
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When you want to appeal to a certain audience, leaving the details to people who know how to appeal to that audience is the most logical decision.
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braves
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Heh heh, I think you did more than enough. 
Anyways, I agree with Stan's statement, but I think this thread will become "OEL manga jumping the shark" part 2. |
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BellosTheMighty
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I think it's being posted to ANN by some guy who's trying to start ANOTHER goddamn argument over who gets to call their work "manga".
Honestly, people, can we have a moratorium or something on this B.S.? Everything there is to be said on the issue was said ages ago, and noone has changed their opinion, because internet 'tards are too goddamn stubborn to ever admit they're wrong. The discussion has lost any significance it ever had, and only still exists for the participants to boast about how knowledgeable they are. It's complete intellectual and critical masturbation at this point. If I wanted to see someone jerking off, I know where to look. I don't need to see this on the ANN boards. |
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fighterholic
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Has anybody ever heard of the word, "collaboration?" But, there's always the word, "graphic novel" which can be translated to either sense. Manga is Japanese in original, and comics as I have been trying to comprehend the whole medium in general could go both ways.
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SharinganEye
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Patachu
Past ANN Contributor
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Personally, I think this statement would sound even cooler if I'd actually gotten to hear Stan Lee say it in person.
He was freakin' awesome when he hijacked the Viz panel at Comic-Con. 
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sakura_kiki
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Really? How'd he do that? 
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BellosTheMighty
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It was posted on the front page:
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The Xenos
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I think I prefer grumpy old Steve Ditko to Smilin' Stan. Though that's kinda besides the point, true believer.
I find it interesting that Stan's involving himself with manga publishing. Then again, he also dove into web animation and Hillary Clinton's campaign funds, both with disastrous results and court cases. So not everything Stan touches turns out that great. (The Clinton fiasco is an amazing read though.) I have a maybe controversial comment oh what I think the problem in this simple thinking is. I think the problem here is the old stereotype that all Japanese people are the same. No, not all manga-ka are created equal. Not all US comic creators are created equal. A Stan Lee comic is different from a Neil Gaiman comic is different from a goddamn Frank Miller comic is different from an Alan Moore comic and so on. Notice Stan said, "these very talented guys in Japan". He's talking about specific creators. If I remember right, it's the creator of Shaman King that's working with him. Back in his days at Marvel, working with masters like Ditko and Kirby, Stan worked with Marvel's standard 'Marvel way' of creating comics. Stan did a basic plot, the artist filled in the art and story, then Stan filled in dialog. There's actually a fascinating story I heard about where Ditko and Lee argued about Lee putting too much dialog over the art in one Spider-man story. So, anyway, him collaborating with the manga-ka from Shaman King doesn't seem strange to me. Meanwhile, Stan does have another point. What sells in Japan may not sell well in America and vice versa. This is a co-production between an American creator and a Japanese one. Yet it's geared for the Japanese market and being sold in Japan. Hence why it's manga, the native word for comics. Is it really that difficult to see that they speak Japanese in Japan and when talking about books from Japan we're just using their word instead of saying Japanese comics? Is it sold in Japan? Manga. Is it sold in English speaking America? Comics or graphic novel. What's so tough about understanding these words? Stan is selling a book to a Japanese audience, so he (or he and his translators) are going to speak their language. Manga is the Japanese word for comics, so he uses that. I really feel like I'm over explaining this simple concept, but some people here don't see the forest for the trees or the language for the words. |
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J Sasuke
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Stan Lee is a big name in comics due to his past works in the field. However, Stan Lee has really not contributed anything to comics for the last 20 years. He has been much to busy focusing on political campaigns, self promotion and terrible TV (remember striperella). I personally think Stan should just retire and fade off into the sunset. If he wants to consult on the back end then that's great, but his time for controlling projects is over.
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