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fighterholic



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:00 am Reply with quote
aya_honda wrote:
I know this may sound stupid, but I actually have a question regarding this. I am used with waiting for the titles to appear (thank you God for the ecommerce because otherwise I would be doomed) but why does it take soooo much for the next volume to appear? I mean, they already have the license and every right to translate and publish the volumes, so why it takes so long for the next volume to appear? (I know it's totally off topic but I was curious).

Well, the more people have to wait on stuff sometimes, especially with a hit series, the more likely that they are going to flood the stores to buy the product. And Tokyopop is probably going on the strategy of how it was being released in Japan, although they cut the release time to three months instead of four. Although you never know, translating may take longer than you think. They may have to make sure that everything is correct and all, which can take time.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:37 pm Reply with quote
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Well, the more people have to wait on stuff sometimes, especially with a hit series, the more likely that they are going to flood the stores to buy the product. And Tokyopop is probably going on the strategy of how it was being released in Japan, although they cut the release time to three months instead of four. Although you never know, translating may take longer than you think. They may have to make sure that everything is correct and all, which can take time.


Thank you for the explanation because to tell you the truth I have always wondered that. I never had patience for anything but every since I have become an avid reader of manga, I had to discipline myself into start waiting for the things I wanted (especially in the case of really long manga, which reach more than let's say 20 volumes). Thank you, fighter. Very Happy

By the way, here it's already Friday (well, in about 20 minutes anyway Wink) and therefore I can't wait for murph to introduce the new character discussion. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:11 pm Reply with quote
Well, it's still Thursday here so we've got about 24 more hours of Haru and Tohru to discuss. Unless you tell me differently, we'll put off Vol. 20's discussion a week.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:44 am Reply with quote
I have no problem with it whatever way it goes, although I don't know how much I'll be contributing while I'm going all out at AX. But I'll be here in the evenings to give my two cents about everything.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:42 am Reply with quote
Okay, little thing: Haru seems to unintentionally worry Tohru a lot. His complete nonchalance and happy-go-lucky equilibrium combined with Tohru's emotionally overconcerned spasticness is a recipe for disaster. It's also hilarious. I love Tohru's automatic static hair when she gets worried suddenly. There's a moment like that in Vol. 20. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:51 am Reply with quote
JesuOtaku wrote:
Okay, little thing: Haru seems to unintentionally worry Tohru a lot. His complete nonchalance and happy-go-lucky equilibrium combined with Tohru's emotionally overconcerned spasticness is a recipe for disaster. It's also hilarious. I love Tohru's automatic static hair when she gets worried suddenly. There's a moment like that in Vol. 20. Laughing


Taking into consideration that she has always sensed the fact that Haru is a good person and she knows of the love between him and spoiler[ Rin, she definetely wants Haru's hapiness as well and she always wants to report him what Rin feels thus making Rin embarassed and trying to stop her. Very Happy]
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:45 am Reply with quote
murph76 wrote:
Well, it's still Thursday here so we've got about 24 more hours of Haru and Tohru to discuss. Unless you tell me differently, we'll put off Vol. 20's discussion a week.


Might be best. At least wait until Monday after AX for those that are attending. Plus it gives those of us who have been working all week and unable to find time to read vol 20 (hi there lol) a chance this weekend to find some quiet time.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:40 am Reply with quote
Psycho 101 wrote:
murph76 wrote:
Well, it's still Thursday here so we've got about 24 more hours of Haru and Tohru to discuss. Unless you tell me differently, we'll put off Vol. 20's discussion a week.


Might be best. At least wait until Monday after AX for those that are attending. Plus it gives those of us who have been working all week and unable to find time to read vol 20 (hi there lol) a chance this weekend to find some quiet time.


I think it's best too to leave it for another week. Gives time to Lydia to receive her volume and to the others to read it. By the way, Psycho, I think most of us are all working, but I bet you sleep like any normal human being not like me; I sleep only five or four hours just because the manga that I was reading was too damn interesting to let it go. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:09 pm Reply with quote
aya_honda wrote:

I think it's best too to leave it for another week. Gives time to Lydia to receive her volume and to the others to read it. By the way, Psycho, I think most of us are all working, but I bet you sleep like any normal human being not like me; I sleep only five or four hours just because the manga that I was reading was too damn interesting to let it go. Wink


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I have bad migraines, am a night owl, and suffer from insomnia quite often. I am lucky to average 4-5 hours of sleep when I am TRYING to sleep. let alone when my mind is distracted. My sleep habits have been screwed up ever since I was in college working 50+ hours a week and taking 5 classes and a lab. It sucked and my sleep habit has never recovered since. And if you want proof go over the ANN Fan Forums and watch how often and how long my name is on heh. Here too.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:53 pm Reply with quote
Yeah, I work second shift and have become a night owl myself. On the positive side, I rarely have to set an alarm anymore.

Well this week we move on to Rin and Akito.

Rin's spoiler[life got a little worse when Akito decided to push her out of a window. As if dealing with the stress of her lousy parents wasn't enough, now she has to heal from injuries of body, mind and soul. And all because she dared fall in love with Haru, thus taking one of Akito's precious zodiac away, at least in Akito's mind. ]

Vol. 20 sheds spoiler[a bit more light on Akito's mindset in all this. It's already been established that Akito hates women, because they pull the male Juunishi away from what should be their primary relationship, at least in Akito's mind. Vol. 20 shows us that Akito is desparate to cling to the bond of the Juunishi -- a bond she knows won't last because of Kureno -- because of a bet she made with Ren. Because Akito doesn't want to lose, she goes to any length to punish those she believes are drawing the Juunishi away from her, hence pushing Rin out a window.]

With luck, this time next week we'll be discussing vol. 20. Until then, I look forward to your comments on Rin and Akito.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:21 am Reply with quote
Both Rin and Akito are both desperate people. But, for different reasons. Rin spoiler[wants to break the curse for Haru's sake. Akito, in her madness, is clinging to whatever scrap of love that she can but because of the way she has treated the other members of the Zodiac, they are pulling away from her as hard as they can. And she knows it. Which deepens her madness.]

Akito spoiler[most certainly hates Rin for being female and probably because she is, not only most definately female, but is allowed to be female 24/7/365 unlike Akito who can only be female when she's having sex.]
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:05 am Reply with quote
Now this is a hate/hate relationship. For one, Rin spoiler[suffers so much abuse at the hands of Akito, obviously because of what she represents.] Sad really. They're spoiler[both women, but in different aspects of life.] Obviously as mentioned before Rin spoiler[gets to be a woman and love somebody, but Akito has to go through the hypocratic ritual kept by the higher servants of the Sohma clan, that she is male. It's no wonder she has to look for something to take her anger out on.]
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:22 am Reply with quote
This is definetly a hate relationship and I can't possibly imagine how it will ever change (to me, Akito doesn't have many redeeming features - and I am saying this although I know the ending) Evil or Very Mad Rin is one of spoiler[Akito's favourite victims, especially because it seems that Akito hates Rin's guts. I think what Akito hates the most about Rin isn't even the fact that she is very much loved by Haru but firstly and foremostly because she is a woman. Akito likes very much to pick on Rin, due especially to the fact that there aren't many people who would intervene for Rin as her family pretty much deserted her. ]

Regarding that, I think many times there have been even older zodiacs who have closed the eyes and refused to intervene when somebody was being punished by Akito, in spite of that person's innocence (like Kisa, for instance) - Sometimes they really seemed a bunch of cowards to me, even though I know that spoiler[Akito was their God and they felt that particular connection.]

Well, it would be very interesting to make a contest of which terrible method Akito found spoiler[to torture Rin. Probably it would definitely win that time when Rin tried to take that box away from Akito but she was caught, her hair was cut and then she was let to rot in the nekotsuki's room. That in my opinion would definitely be a winner. ] Shocked Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:47 pm Reply with quote
aya_honda wrote:
This is definetly a hate relationship ...

Well, it would be very interesting to make a contest of which terrible method Akito found spoiler[to torture Rin. Probably it would definitely win that time when Rin tried to take that box away from Akito but she was caught, her hair was cut and then she was let to rot in the nekotsuki's room. That in my opinion would definitely be a winner. ] Shocked Sad


I was going to bring up that scene because spoiler[Akito essentially left Rin there to die. Even that servant who brought Rin food was going against Akito and that bitchy older maid, who I think knew Rin was there but wasn't about to cross Akito. Her hate grew because Rin tried to take away one of the few, and possibly the only, momento of Akira that Akito had. ]
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:20 am Reply with quote
Perhaps this is why Ren spoiler[ has sent Rin to take it from Akito, which made the matter even worse. I don't know who says at some point that Rin lets herself used by everybody without making a clear distinction between who is trying to help her and who is trying to use her (I think it was Shigure). Anyways, at that time if it wasn't for Kureno and possibly that maid, I think that Rin would have died there. ]

It is interesting to see that Rin is the only zodiac which spoiler[is so badly hurt by Akito and even left to die. Of course all the others are abused as well, but not as much as Rin. One of the excuses that Akito makes is the one in which she blames Haru for this, saying that he expressed his love for Rin in spite of the fact that he knew how Akito would behave because of this. Somehow, I believe that this incident was the perfect excuse for Akito to finally do what she wanted from the very beginning and that is to punish Rin as much as she could. ]
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