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leafy sea dragon
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:38 am
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Because Angry Birds ARE important. It was the game that demonstrated the cultural impact of mobile gaming.
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Polycell
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:21 pm
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Yep - the very reason people don't want it in there is the reason it should be. There's a certain irony there.
I can personally think of a game or two that mind end up in here down the road, but we'll have to see if they really have any important effects on the development of video games or end up as neat trivia.
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enurtsol
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:10 pm
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Heh, I know where that is.
Any hall of fame limits the # of entrants per year since they want it to be really exclusive. So don't expect more than a few games to get in each year.
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0nsen
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:58 am
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I think WoW is out of place because it doesn't really fit in with the rest of the bunch. With the fitting criteria being oldschool. If the games were arranged chronologically it would fit in better, imho.
But I still don't get why those particular games made it. If it's only about market penetration they're definitely missing Call of Duty and shouldn't even consider oldschool games, since they've had a significantly smaller audience.
If it's about major breakthroughs Wolfenstein 3D should be there instead of Doom, since it paved the way.
So.. yeah.. still confused why those games made it.
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leafy sea dragon
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:37 pm
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Age has nothing to do with it. Angry Birds almost made it in. It's about how much impact the game has on subsequent video gaming up to the present.
I don't know much about Wolfenstein 3D though. However, just become it came first doesn't mean it has the most historical significance. When you see the phrase "The Wizard of Oz," you're likely thinking of a movie that wasn't the first to do anything--not even the first movie to adapt the book--but it's the most famous by far and has firmly put itself into pop culture.
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EricJ2
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:49 pm
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leafy sea dragon wrote: | I don't know much about Wolfenstein 3D though. However, just become it came first doesn't mean it has the most historical significance. |
Wolfenstein was the earlier 3D-shooter prototype for Doom, only with a WWII setting.
Wolf was the game-inventor, but Doom was the game-changer.
(Although I'm somewhat biased, having spent all those afternoons playing Doom II with those fan-made sound-packs replacing the sound effects with Star Trek and Rocky & Bullwinkle.)
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Polycell
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:07 pm
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0nsen wrote: | If it's about major breakthroughs Wolfenstein 3D should be there instead of Doom, since it paved the way. |
For the same reason that, if somehow its genre became worthy of inclusion for its own sake, it wouldn't be Narbacular Drop that made it in, but Portal. Not only did Doom make the genre into what it was, on top of that, you're also talking about the same developers. It's much like concept cars: nobody gives a crap about superspecialawesome model X that introduced the world to feature Y(though X might excite imaginations for a time); they care about production model Z that truly did.
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enurtsol
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:06 am
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EricJ2 wrote: |
leafy sea dragon wrote: |
I don't know much about Wolfenstein 3D though. However, just become it came first doesn't mean it has the most historical significance. |
Wolfenstein was the earlier 3D-shooter prototype for Doom, only with a WWII setting.
Wolf was the game-inventor, but Doom was the game-changer.
(Although I'm somewhat biased, having spent all those afternoons playing Doom II with those fan-made sound-packs replacing the sound effects with Star Trek and Rocky & Bullwinkle.) |
Don't forget the mythical Barney The Dinosaur mod that started it all.
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0nsen
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:37 am
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Polycell wrote: | they care about production model Z that truly did. |
In that case, shouldn't Quake be on the list instead? After all, Doom only gave the illusion of 3D, Quake had real 3D.
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Polycell
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:05 pm
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Quake wasn't the first first-person game to have truly 3D environments (I mentioned Descent before, which beat Quake to market by years) and Doom's level design means you don't miss it anyway. It was an inevitable evolutionary change, not the massive revolution Doom was.
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EricJ2
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:53 pm
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enurtsol wrote: |
EricJ2 wrote: | (Although I'm somewhat biased, having spent all those afternoons playing Doom II with those fan-made sound-packs replacing the sound effects with Star Trek and Rocky & Bullwinkle.) |
Don't forget the mythical Barney The Dinosaur mod that started it all. |
Yeah, but the Rocky & Bullwinkle was cooler.
(Survive level -
Narrator: "It wasn't a game...It was a slaughter!"
Rocky: "At this rate, we'll never win!"
Bullwinkle: "We'll be lucky to lose!"
Die in level -
Narrator: "Will our hero be able to extricate himself?"
Bullwinkle: "I will as soon as I get loose!"
Narrator: "Tune in for our next exciting episode - 'It's Only a Flesh Wound', or 'Better Dead Than Lead'!")
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