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Ai no Kareshi
Posts: 561 Location: South Africa |
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Interesting rant.
I myself am a Christian, but I don't let the misinterpretations of Christianity in anime bother me too much. It's not like the creators are deliberately trying to attack my religion. Granted, I haven't watched Hellsing, and a few notions in Chrono Crusade did bother me, but overall, I take everything religious in anime with a grain of salt. It's just entertainment, and besides, I hardly see anything less offensive coming from the US. |
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Eruanna
Posts: 451 Location: Canada |
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Actually, for this question, I shall refer you to a great review written that sums up my thoughts far better then I could (I read this and I went "Holy cow thats exactly what I thought, only I couldnt word it so well if my life depended on it!")
This is from the review of Chevalier volume one at http://www.theanimereview.com/ |
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scrapps
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There is also the "shounen hater" that has been around long enough that they watched the shows back when they were called "Yu Yu Hakusho" and "Dragon Ball." I know I don't watch nearly as much anime as I did when I was first getting into it, because newer shows start to seem more formulaic and lacking in originality.
I think that a lot of people have problems with Christianity because of the inconsistency in the the beliefs of the people they've met and some of it's religious leaders. I'm not Christian because I disagree with parts of most of its denominations. If I meet someone who does something that I know is against their religion and then later says they are against gay marriage because it's against their religion, it's very hard for me to respect their opinion at that point. Maybe I just don't understand how you can pick and choose from an organized religion. And there is a big difference between painting all Americans with one brush and painting all Christians with one brush. You can pick your religion; you can't pick where you were born. |
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Posts: 3498 Location: IN your nightmares |
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I am one to pass off the notion that the rant really has that much to do with religion. The author was obviously concerned with how Christianity is presented in anime but you've got to wonder what sort of tolerance she would have to American licensors and producers actually altering the work in question to make it more acceptable. I am thinking her acceptance would be quite high and would in fact approve of certain types of screening and editing of specific details like names, dialogue and references. Of course as with any adaptation to make anime commercially accessible to fans, some alteration occurs and sometimes more often than others for various other reasons (sex, violence and just general Japaneseness). However, with the intense criticism that most fans have for altering the original work in any way I think companies have learned that they must choose which consumers they are going to appeal to on a series by series basis. I do know that the LAST people that companies will cave into are religious separatists (especially Christians) and it will be a safe bet and hope there will NEVER be an anime series brought over and released with those ideals in mind to have such a specific marketing appeal.
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Ai no Kareshi
Posts: 561 Location: South Africa |
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Often, people are so busy fighting over petty differences in their religious beliefs (denominations) that they completely forget what lies at the core of Christianity - love. I might disagree with gay marriage, but that doesn't mean I won't still accept someone who practices it as a Christian. People have different interpretations of Christianity, but we all believe in the same God, don't we? |
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jetz
Posts: 2148 Location: Manila, Philippines |
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Fanart selling: I thought that the person was describing was some sort of doujinshi, but since Answerman didn't say anything about doujinshis I must be wrong
Shonen anime: It's all a matter of taste. If you like shonen, fine. Don't care about what others say. As for me, I don't watch Naruto or Bleach or any of the more popular shonen titles. I have watched a lot of Eureka 7 and I finished Law of Ueki, and I like both titles. Otaku socializing: I don't have friends who love anime as much as I do. I don't even go to cons, but sometimes I do criticize the way other anime fans act. Most of the time I try to ignore them, but there are really annoying guys out there, like the guy who keeps on PMing me (in another forum) about how Law of Ueki is evil Rant: Generally, I don't mind people who give importance to religion they see in anime, that is if they express themselves in an acceptable way. The guy I was referring to was "outraged" by the blasphemy he saw in Law of Ueki, and he started this thread (in another forum) saying that we shouldn't watch it or whatever. I simply told him that anime bashing wasn't allowed in that forum. The thread was locked, of course, but to my surprise he PMed me saying that I was ignorant and I wasn't following the 10 commandments (he even PMed me a copy of the 10 commandments!). I told him that maybe he shouldn't watch anime because if he saw Chrono Crusade, Hellsing, etc. He would probably be 10 times angrier. |
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Eruanna
Posts: 451 Location: Canada |
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But I think a lot of you are missing the point... the rant had nothing at all to do with insults thrown at christianity, or whether you agree with christianity or not. It was simply a statment about how a lot of anime portrays it incorrectly.
Example, in Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne, Jeanne has to exorcise demons because if she dosnt, God will loose his energy and die. This is absurd nonsence to anyone who is actually Christian, and so watching this show that is trying to be "Christian", or quasi-Christian is.. strange, to say the least. It has nothing to with insults or debates, just getting things right or wrong. I think you guys have missed the point. |
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zetsuie
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ok first Johny Young Bosh rocks for two reasons
1 he was the Black Power Ranger 2. his band eyeshine his awesome and if you've ever seen them at a con im sure you'll agree also I kind of like the fact that they use the same voice actors in different anime cause its awesome when your watching the credits of Evangelion and see that the same voice actor for Souske Sagara in FMP had a very tiny part that you cant even remember because is character doesn't even have a real name I wouldn't trade moments like that for anything in the world about the flake So let me get this straight answer man if go around the interweb and tell people how awesome ADV dubs are and how they should subscribe to TAN i can be rolling around in a big pile of money just like you as for the Ranter three words OH YOUR GOD I just recently saw Hellsing and the conclusion i can come to is vampires kick some serious ass plus i cant wait to see how people react over the Funimation dub of One Piece with the Skypiea arc especially when one of the main characters says he doesn't believe in god but i guess pirates don't need god just treasure.
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Michi
Encyclopedia Editor
Posts: 741 Location: Los Angeles, CA |
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The flake of the week makes me sad. It makes me realize there are a lot of people with similar views, blindly believing that fansubs are perfect and better than the licensed version.
It also makes me sad, as a huge fan of AIR, that a big fan of it is refusing to buy the licensed version under such beliefs. I'm picking it up as soon as it comes out, no matter what. I'm not a big dub fan, but I also don't have to sit through the dub if I don't want to. Sigh. Oh well! |
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dormcat
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Quoted for truth. "A lot of [interest group] likes [subject]" does not mean "[subject] is designed specifically with [interest group] in mind." A good comparison to Azumanga Daioh would be Lucky Star; both are about the daily lives of a bunch of high school girls, but one can hardly enjoy the latter unless equipped with sufficient knowledge of anime/manga/games/Internet culture. |
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Zalis116
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Posts: 6896 Location: Kazune City |
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Link two the "5 Geek Social Fallacies:http://sean.chittenden.org/humor/www.plausiblydeniable.com/opinion/gsf.html
Dear Mr. Flake, please present at least twenty sets of comparison screenshots demonstrating the differences between the fansub of your choice and ADV's DVD version. Include along with this an analysis of the language used in full kanji and how it should be translated. Oh wait, what am I thinking, ADV's version doesn't even exist yet While I have come out and said fansubs > DVDs (in terms of subtitles) on some occasions, there's just no sense in criticizing subtitles or an English dub that doesn't exist. It's even more presumptuous to say that AIR (fansubs) > AIR (DVD) when your command of one's own language is so bad that you can't possibly have a good enough understanding of Japanese to critique different translations. And AIR is considerably more difficult than the average series, too.
Oh, the stories I could tell...we've had some real strange ones in our anime club. Luckily most of them were weeded out due to their world being dislocated or legal troubles. Like one guy who lived every bit of the freak/Goth stereotype, and hit on girls in creepy ways, using both the "I can show you a world of pleasure" and "I'm a virgin, will you help me?" pickup lines -- during the same conversation, with the same girl. IIRC he got put away on statutory rape charges. Similarly, there was the underaged kid who went on Marxist ranting sprees when drunk, who also liked to engage in explicit AIM conversations with girls who a) weren't interested in him, and b) had no qualms about posting the logs on LiveJournal for everyone else to see and laugh at. He also ran afoul of the law, when he got caught for attempted rape (or maybe just sexual assault) in a girls' restroom at school. Or there was the age-30+ woman who was rather "portly" and routinely hit on the age-20-25 males in the club...with some success Not me though. I'm not quite that hard up. Or the girl who seriously had the mind of a 6-year-old child, judging by the screaming, crying, and temper tantrums she threw when things didn't go her way (e.g. when the University told us we couldn't play video games on school equipment prior to club). And we had the classic stereotypical smelly/repulsive/deranged guy who was all about the hentai (not that that's bad in itself), and always spinning tall tales about his vast financial resources and secret superhuman powers. We actually did have to ban him from the club when some online drama about someone saying something about his girlfriend spilled over into real life and he started throwing punches. (Irony of the world: guys like this get girlfriends, and yet I still don't) So yeah, sometimes you have to stand up and draw the line against certain people or certain behaviors.
Oh yeah, and it's not like the Japanese don't re-use the same VAs -- it takes more viewing because the talent pool is bigger, but eventually you get familiar with / tired of the repetition on the Japanese side as well. |
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Ramadahl
Posts: 325 Location: MK, UK |
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Selling fanart and doujinshi - I always figure it's on the same level as AMVs, in that no-one makes a lot of money from it, and it's still an original work in a sense.
Heh, so true. As soon as I read this a few faces sprang to mind. Flake - more so than any other, this one really seemed like someone was just making it up. Rant - Hmm... upset by misrepresentation of Christianity in anime (and in general, it seems)? All I can really think to say is... of dear, there there. Obviously it's not great if it's making you unhappy, but there's no maliciousness involved... they just want to tell a fun story, the intent was never to give an accurate portrayl of Christianity in the first place. That would be boring. Also, it's not going to change any time soon, so either grin and bear it, or... don't. |
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Jamee
Posts: 79 Location: North Carolina |
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It doesn't seem that way to me. Usually any book that gets published here in the US that is filled with stereotypes (or what people perceive to be stereotypes) generates major press. Remember a few years ago when someone put out that kid's book called Nappy Hair? People wanted the author burned at the stake! And this isn't a new practice either. Back in the sixties the original Nancy Drew books got edited to remove offensive stereotypes of blacks and Jews. It was a reflection of a changing US population. Of course, if your talking about those crazy militant right-wing books put out by some guy who printed them out on the copy machine in his basement, then no, those don't get press. |
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ikillchicken
Posts: 7272 Location: Vancouver |
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Okay, so lets examine the Flakes theory: ADV's subtitles are inacurate, unlike fansubbers who have it exactly right. He does not specify wether this is intentional on ADVs part or not, but apparently they then Bribe Zac to support their product.
Now assuming they do this unintentionally, im curious why a bunch of fansubbers on the internet would be more accurate than professional translators. Or perhaps he is suggesting that they do this intentionally in which case I must ask: why? Where is the benefit for them in mistranslating? Wouldnt it be so much easier to just do it right and then not have to bribe Zac? |
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Kouga13
Posts: 113 Location: Canada |
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The rant reminded me of this: http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070613
It's fiction if it was a documentary I could understand the annoyance. And if anyone should be whining about their religion being attacked it should be the Muslims. |
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