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Rahxephon91 wrote:

theNightster wrote: Rahxephon91 wrote: Square dosen't make rpgs anymore and when they do they take forever to come out. or make their RPG's suck like FF13 I enjoyed XIII. I've enjoyed most Square offerings.

Even lighting returns and the 3rd birthday?? Kidding aside I really haven't enjoyed any new square-enix games in years aside from Dragon quest 4-6, 9, crisis core, kingdom hearts BBS, and other ports of ips on ios and android formats.

Rahxephon91 wrote:

You're going to bring up games like CoD, but again I don't look at violence the same way I do sex. A hero can kill people and still be seen as this awesome person. The moment he commits sex with a minor or rape, he's bad. This is stuff basically tied into our very core and has even been in our stories forever. I'm not sure how you can compare sex and violence with they have thier own norms.

No it's not tied "into our core". First, I'd suggest Alan Moore 25,000 Years of Erotic Freedom. Second, what is tied into our biological core and what is reflected in ALL of human (and animal) history up until the 20th century, is that puberty marks the start of adulthood. In fact by your own reasoning, your hero having sex with a 19 year old would be considered bad since they are still minors in Japan.

You are also clearly lacking in familiarity with the stories and real history. I suggest you read about Japan's own history that would shock any prude, or Greek, or Spartan, or Egyptian or Pagan European. or Roman history that completely refutes your claim

Hell even in Christianity, Mary was 12 or 13 years old when she was wed to Joseph and likely bore their son at 14 and definitely no older than 15. Though to be fair, even when husbands were oldermales were also given responsibilities at that young age throughout history too.

You are also basing your argument on very recent social norms (in light of history) as opposed to objective fact. I oppose any restrictions on both depictions, but the comparison with hypocrisy of accepting violence simply comes from being logically consistent as opposed to basing things on norms, or feelings or opinions.

There are all sorts of norms and many conflicting ones, but none of them are fundamental, not something inherent derived from the nature of just being a person. One can say they're more ego instead of the id. Just look at the modern imagining of the Spartans in 300. That's basically your idea of "heroes". But it is also very wrong, because:

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Homosexuality in the militaries of ancient Greece was regarded as contributing to morale.[1] Although the primary example is the Sacred Band of Thebes, a unit said to have been formed of same-sex couples, the Spartan tradition of military heroism has also been explained in light of strong emotional bonds resulting from homosexual relationships.[2] Various ancient Greek sources record incidents of courage in battle and interpret them as motivated by homoerotic bonds.

And don't forget puberty = adulthood, so you can figure out the ages involved here.

Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:

Rahxephon91 wrote: theNightster wrote: Rahxephon91 wrote: Square dosen't make rpgs anymore and when they do they take forever to come out. or make their RPG's suck like FF13 I enjoyed XIII. I've enjoyed most Square offerings. Even lighting returns and the 3rd birthday?? Kidding aside I really haven't enjoyed any new square-enix games in years aside from Dragon quest 4-6, 9, crisis core, kingdom hearts BBS, and other ports of ips on ios and android formats.

Well The 3rd Birthday may have one of the most insultingly bad stories ever put in a game. I mean really, it is so bad it's embarrassing for the people who made it. It was still fun to play.

I haven't played much of LR because again the story seems so bad. Though again the gameplay seems very fun.

But other then those two I've enjoyed something about most Square games.

configspace wrote:

Rahxephon91 wrote: You're going to bring up games like CoD, but again I don't look at violence the same way I do sex. A hero can kill people and still be seen as this awesome person. The moment he commits sex with a minor or rape, he's bad. This is stuff basically tied into our very core and has even been in our stories forever. I'm not sure how you can compare sex and violence with they have thier own norms. No it's not tied "into our core". First, I'd suggest Alan Moore 25,000 Years of Erotic Freedom. Second, what is tied into our biological core and what is reflected in ALL of human (and animal) history up until the 20th century, is that puberty marks the start of adulthood. In fact by your own reasoning, your hero having sex with a 19 year old would be considered bad since they are still minors in Japan. You are also clearly lacking in familiarity with the stories and real history. I suggest you read about Japan's own history that would shock any prude, or Greek, or Spartan, or Egyptian or Pagan European. or Roman history that completely refutes your claim Hell even in Christianity, Mary was 12 or 13 years old when she was wed to Joseph and likely bore their son at 14 and definitely no older than 15. Though to be fair, even when husbands were oldermales were also given responsibilities at that young age throughout history too. You are also basing your argument on very recent social norms (in light of history) as opposed to objective fact. I oppose any restrictions on both depictions, but the comparison with hypocrisy of accepting violence simply comes from being logically consistent as opposed to basing things on norms, or feelings or opinions. There are all sorts of norms and many conflicting ones, but none of them are fundamental, not something inherent derived from the nature of just being a person. One can say they're more ego instead of the id. Just look at the modern imagining of the Spartans in 300. That's basically your idea of "heroes". But it is also very wrong, because: Quote: Homosexuality in the militaries of ancient Greece was regarded as contributing to morale.[1] Although the primary example is the Sacred Band of Thebes, a unit said to have been formed of same-sex couples, the Spartan tradition of military heroism has also been explained in light of strong emotional bonds resulting from homosexual relationships.[2] Various ancient Greek sources record incidents of courage in battle and interpret them as motivated by homoerotic bonds. And don't forget puberty = adulthood, so you can figure out the ages involved here.

I was actually more trying to say that violence has been a part of us forever and people are pretty denctized. I wasn't making any comment on how people few sex through out the ages. My example was more about how in fiction someone can do a terrible thing such as murder and be ok.

@Cecil

Well The 3rd Birthday may have one of the most insultingly bad stories ever put in a game. I mean really, it is so bad it's embarrassing for the people who made it. It was still fun to play.

I haven't played much of LR because again the story seems so bad. Though again the gameplay seems very fun.

But other then those two I've enjoyed something about most Square games.

@configspace

I was actually more trying to say that violence has been a part of us forever and people are pretty denctized. I wasn't making any comment on how people few sex through out the ages. My example was more about how in fiction someone can do a terrible thing such as murder and be ok.