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1- RahXephon I was simply amazed by this series. It has the best story out of all the anime I've seen, with good character development and a great ending. The animation is beautiful. It just kept on captivating me with all the mysteries and the great plot twists. The story unfolds in a way that keeps you interested and curious by being complex and hinting at so many things. It all comes together at the end in a stunning fashion. One of the best romances out there as well. Definitely a masterpiece IMO.

Am I the only person who found the whole thing to be an Eva rip-off? Had a lot of the same characters, a similar plot, and basically a similar story progression. I didn't think it was bad, but it just seemed like it was trying so hard to be Evangelion.

You would have to read this thread. animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=38114 You're really not the first one to speak about this...it's been brought up countless times. And you should know that Evangelion is itself inspired from many, many other mecha anime.

Well, it has some similar elements and sure borrows from Evangelion. But eh, mecha are a common theme so that's not rip-off. Ayato actually tries and moves forward, and actually has a love relationship with Haruka. Shinji is just a lame guy. And you can't really label it a rip-off because it's about the character development of a teenage boy because, errr....there's a lot of those around.

RahXephon, in my opinion, just does more things than Evangelion and does them better.

5. Hamtaro - Do you need to know?

2. The Big O: Okay, this one is just whack. Giant robot type thing and some kind of detective with a robot assistant to help him. Man I couldn't stand this Anime.

You don't make very many friends here, do you?

Okay. I suppose we must all be formal, and extremely descriptive with every post.

I never even implied I disliked it because it was similar to Batman .

I never had a problem with Big O, I just never -got- hooked to it. And I can't judge the plot, as I've only seen three episodes.

I probably rewatch the same episode of Dragonball Z every day to admire the animation, and the sheer brilliance of how everything in it lives to inspire.

If you're familiar with it, what do you think of Bruce Faulconer's music?

Actually, it's my insistence on quality posts that has made me very popular around here.

When I ask you why you didn't like it, and you say "because it was like Batman with robots," that's making an implication.

So you're saying you hate a show because you saw about an eighth of it and just weren't dazzled. That's...well, it's something.

You rag on Big O for it,

I have to say, you have strange views on what constitutes good animation. You rag on Big O for it, then turn to DBZ as an example of admirable animation. DBZ may have been a good show, but for the most part, it had glaringly average animation. Serviceable for an early-90s television series, but not something to hold as an example of what animation should strive to be.

I thought it and the extra dialogue helped to ruin Gohan's Super Saiyan 2 transformation against Cell, which was one of my favorite scenes in the whole series. Other than that, I'm ambivalent to it, because it's really no better or worse than the music in the original. FUNimation back in the late 90s could've stood to learn that silence every so often (as opposed to blaring synth music through every second of the show) could heighten the drama, but it wasn't as bad as it's often accused of being.

I don't see the "average" part. You guys set your animation standards too high.. or maybe they're just weird. Dragonball's animation completely wiped the floor with anything Americans could throw together.

I don't know, maybe it's Toriyama's style? The character stances, facial features, hairstyles, eyes, physiques? I had never seen anything like it before.

Dragonball had its own unique style.

To name a few; Samurai Champloo, ... Cowboy Bebop.

Wait a second, you got a bachelor's in animation? 2D animation? I am appalled at the fact you think Dragonball Z's animation is mediocre. Hell, Dragonball's the reason I decided to learn animation.

For the most part, the Dragon Ball franchise sported very choppy animation, with a lot of odd deformations in the characters occurring at random moments (what's called "off-model" animation, which is a very bad thing to have happen). I remember several moments where a character falling out of the sky just...floats there like there's no gravity (the dead Namek that Freezer kills at the Elder's place, for example), and a lot of the fight scenes were just a couple punches looped endlessly, and then cut and pasted all over the screen as if the characters were zipping all over the place while throwing these same two endless punches. Some scenes were impressive (Goku against Majin Vegeta, for example, and some of the movies), but the vast majority of it was average work utilizing a lot of stock footage and some very rushed animators incapable of really going back and fixing bad work when it cropped up.

And claiming the animation is better than what American studios were doing is a very stupid thing to say, given that the early 90s were the time of some of Disney's best productions, animation-wise, like The Lion King and The Rescuers Down Under, and TV animation saw things like the Batman Animated Series and The Simpsons at its prime (yes, Simpsons uses simplistic character designs, but when working on a TV budget, simple designs are preferred so that more workflow goes into actually making smooth, even animation).

I think you're confusing character design for actual animation. Design is how it looks, animation is how well it moves. The two go hand in hand, but are not the same thing.

Except for the fact that it also appeared in other Toriyama works, like Dr. Slump, the Tobal series, Chrono Trigger, Blue Dragon, Sand Land, etc

To name a few; Samurai Champloo, ... Cowboy Bebop.

Now we're getting somewhere. Smooth, consistent, convincing animation that's capable of suspending disbelief.

If you're serious about going to college for animation, then you'll learn soon enough.

DBZ's not a bad show, but it's not one to be celebrated for its "quality" animation, either. The show's responsible in part for getting me into animation as a career as well, but I'm not going to make excuses and lie to myself that it's some pinnacle of high-quality animation now that I know better.