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Mohawk52
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 Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 10:45 am
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| According to the Anime News Service wrote: | | 9-28-06 (7:30AM EDT)---- Mini OP/ED: Why Unpackaged Media Doesn't Exist
The newest buzzword in the English Language internet anime news community recently is "Unpackaged Media". This term has virtually appeared out of nowhere overnight, being used to refer to the recent launch of online video delivery sites such as Google Video, ADV Universe and Amazon Unbox. The term refers to the idea of the video contents being delivered online somehow being unconfined by the physical constraints of a DVD case (for instance). Oddly enough, no one seems to use it, the companies themselves with their millions of dollars and brilliant corporate minds have failed to think to list this word in reference to their new services and partnerships, probably because they know better. "Unpackaged Media" is somewhat of a contradictory and misleading term in this case. While it might not ship in a plastic shrinkwrapped black thinpack box-set, anyone who thinks a commercially sold product in a capitalist society (especially media) might be unpackaged, is fooling themselves. While not corporeal in nature (depending on how you look at it) The packaging for this media is the website itself. You've got the exact cover images from the DVD's and the exact DVD backcover descriptions / story summaries all wrapped in a flashy, sexy html based graphical user interface. A good question is: will these pay per view offerings be able to compete with qualitative and quantitatively superior illegally available versions? The customers drawn to these products often work on instinct alone, they don't care about a box, an image, a description, or any terminology or packaging whatsoever. They goto a search box, type in a title and click download. Legal or not, the widespread nature of this activity has been telling anime corporate for quite some time there is a market there. I commend them for finally acknowledging this market. The determining factor in the success of these anime online services seems to come down to arriving at a price the market will bear and the quality of product being offered. |
Even more reason for the fansubbers to "cease and desist". There I've stacked the wood, now someone light the fire. 
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Ramadahl
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:51 am
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| Mohawk52 wrote: | Even more reason for the fansubbers to "cease and desist". There I've stacked the wood, now someone light the fire. |
Odd, the way you word that it almost seems like you want to start some kind of fansub debate. And I would have thought that you'd be sick of them by now... In any case I can't see that this would really effect fansubbers - regardless of the distribution format, if a title is unlicensed then you won't be getting it anyway.
Still, thank you for bringing the article to my attention, I found it quite interesting despite the tediously pedantic nitpicking over the use of "unpackaged" towards the middle of it.
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Patachu
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:40 pm
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| Mohawk52 wrote: |
| According to the Anime News Service wrote: | | The newest buzzword in the English Language internet anime news community recently is "Unpackaged Media". |
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Gosh, I wonder what that "English Language internet anime news community" could be?  
I don't know why or how or when, but the guy who runs ANS has had it in for ANN for ages, and he gets his jollies from coming down here to needlessly nitpick the newsposts. I would take this piece with a grain of salt pulled straight from the Dead Sea.
This mini-OP/ED can be loosely translated as "I don't like Chris MacDonald's word for paid anime downloads, buuhuhuhuhuhu."
He is right about one thing, though: it did "appear out of nowhere overnight." Google for "Unpackaged Media" in quotes and you'll turn up only ANN's news post on the new online services, and reproductions of the post elsewhere online.
But that doesn't make it wrong, it's just a way of calling it, for crap's sake.
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Redbeard 101
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:57 pm
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| Ramadahl wrote: |
| Mohawk52 wrote: | Even more reason for the fansubbers to "cease and desist". There I've stacked the wood, now someone light the fire. |
Odd, the way you word that it almost seems like you want to start some kind of fansub debate. And I would have thought that you'd be sick of them by now... In any case I can't see that this would really effect fansubbers - regardless of the distribution format, if a title is unlicensed then you won't be getting it anyway.
Still, thank you for bringing the article to my attention, I found it quite interesting despite the tediously pedantic nitpicking over the use of "unpackaged" towards the middle of it. |
It does seem like he might be trying to start up another sub vs. dub debate. That would more then likely not make the mods happy since they're getting tired of such threads. I agree that the article was very informative though. I myself had never even heard the term before this post so I guess it did manage to pop up over night more or less. I don't see what the big deal is. All we're talking about is a "name" for basically digital media. Why does it matter what it's called? To me it just seems a bit tedious and not needed to have to label the digital media we download. Why not simply refer to it as digital media, or downloadable media (since that's what it is).
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jousha
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:26 pm
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| According to the Anime News Service wrote: | | "Unpackaged Media" is somewhat of a contradictory and misleading term in this case. |
... And what's with those Starbucks? They're everywhere.
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Zalis116
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:45 pm
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| Quote: | | A good question is: will these pay per view offerings be able to compete with qualitative and quantitatively superior illegally available versions? |
Why should they "cease and desist" if they're making qualitatively superior versions, as this article seems to suggest? Anime being available for legal download isn't going to change any fansubbers' philosophy, anyway.
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| Ramadahl wrote: | | n any case I can't see that this would really effect fansubbers... |
No matter what, it's not going to "effect" fansubbers, though the slight possibility remains that it might affect them.
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Azathrael
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Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:05 pm
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| Zalis116 wrote: |
| Quote: | | A good question is: will these pay per view offerings be able to compete with qualitative and quantitatively superior illegally available versions? |
Why should they "cease and desist" if they're making qualitatively superior versions, as this article seems to suggest? Anime being available for legal download isn't going to change any fansubbers' philosophy, anyway. |
Exactly what I was going to say. Obviously the author of the article is some third-rate amateur who thinks that question is "good" but the comment makes no sense with what the author wrote.
Speaking of which, where is the source?
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:42 am
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| Ramadahl wrote: |
| Mohawk52 wrote: | Even more reason for the fansubbers to "cease and desist". There I've stacked the wood, now someone light the fire. |
Odd, the way you word that it almost seems like you want to start some kind of fansub debate. And I would have thought that you'd be sick of them by now. |
I don't really, but past experience has proved that, with an issue like this, it always ends up as a flame war no matter how much fire retardant is poured on, so I though I'd try reverse psychology as a test.
The reason I posted it here was to highlight that the Studios and distributors in Japan have woken up to the problem of fansubs and are trying to assimilated it instead of trying to kill it.
| Patachu wrote: | | Gosh, I wonder what that "English Language internet anime news community" could be?
I don't know why or how or when, but the guy who runs ANS has had it in for ANN for ages, and he gets his jollies from coming down here to needlessly nitpick the newsposts. I would take this piece with a grain of salt pulled straight from the Dead Sea.
This mini-OP/ED can be loosely translated as "I don't like Chris MacDonald's word for paid anime downloads, buuhuhuhuhuhu."
He is right about one thing, though: it did "appear out of nowhere overnight." Google for "Unpackaged Media" in quotes and you'll turn up only ANN's news post on the new online services, and reproductions of the post elsewhere online.
But that doesn't make it wrong, it's just a way of calling it, for crap's sake. |
MeOOow!
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Daemonblue
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 3:14 pm
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Yea, the article's main focus
IMO was to try and bash the use of the term "Unpackaged Media," which I feel is actually a pretty good way to put it, rather than fansubs v licensors. If you look at the words "unpackagaed" and "media," you can read it as "something not in a package" and "music, movies, etc. that are produced, usually, for entertainment," which is basically what it is, something that's made for entertainment and not in a package.... But yea, the article does seem to be a bit....I dunno, hostile to ANN. Maybe he just doesn't like people who can put up good comments since it seems he can only lash out at people.
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Opal Jaguar
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:59 pm
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The determining factor in the success of these anime online services seems to come down to arriving at a price the market will bear and the quality of product being offered.
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The onlyinterestingthing I could get from that article, it'll be interesting to see how the market will react to these new services
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