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Animeking1108
Joined: 26 Apr 2011
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:44 pm
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Why I say that is because if I allowed Shonen Jump, half the entries would consist of "Naruto," "Bleach," or "Dragon Ball Z."
Remember: Just because something's overrated doesn't always mean it's terrible. Sometimes, you can like an overrated series, but just not as much as other people.
InuYasha- While I don't really hate this series, it is very flawed. For one, it's repetetive. The gang comes to a village, find out there's a demon attacking, InuYasha whines about having to help the villagers until hearing that it has the jewel shards, Kagome and InuYasha fight, the rest of the group makes snide remarks about it, yet Shippo is the only one with a foot up his ass because Japan thinks Child Abuse is hilarious, they fight the demon, it captures Kagome, they say each other's names for about two minutes, they kill the demon, the jewel is now 0.5% more complete, and it ends with InuYasha denying his clear-as-day crush on Kagome, thus causing an argument. However, repetition seems to be a problem with the anime per se. The manga isn't as repetetive.
Another major problem I have with the series is its protagonist: I know he's supposed to be an anti-hero, but most of the time, he acts like a petulant child. He can be very whiny at times. I haven't read much of the manga, so I don't know if this is a character trait lifted from it.
Fullmetal Alchemist (original series)- Now, I love FMA, don't get me wrong. However, people praise the original series way more than "Brotherhood," the more faithful adaptation. Why? Because it came first? That's the thing with remakes to adaptations. If the remake is more faithful to the source material, people will hate it. "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" can vouch for that. Like, say if they made a remake to "The Running Man." The movie was completely different from the novel, but it still had its following, but the remake was more faithful. Since not that many read the Stephen King novel, which version will be more adored?
While the original was good, I preferred "Brotherhood" because it was more faithful to the manga. Are the people who hate "Brotherhood" saying Hiromu Arakawa, the creator, doesn't know her own series better than the animators? God, read a manga every now and then.
To quote Garth from "Wayne's World," 'it's kinda like "Star Trek: The Next Generation." In some ways, it's superior, but will never be as well-regarded as the original.'
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya- I've bitched about this series so many times, I don't want to beat a dead horse.
Lucky Star- Think "Seinfeld," but for weeaboos. Nothing really happens in this show except for conversations about food and anime pop-culture references. I sometimes feel that the writers didn't think their original dialouge was good enough, so they recorded the VAs during their lunch break. Again, not a terrible series. I only watched the first episode, and I couldn't get into it.
Bludgeoning Angel Dokuro-chan- It's a series built on pure sadism. I just couldn't enjoy this at all. When I saw the opening sequence in the anime club, I just said to myself 'This is gonna suck, isn't it?' Who knew I was psychic?
Its only brand of comedy is a kid getting beaten to death. That's not comedy, that's sadism. The worst part is that they try to make it seem like Sakura deserves it because he 'supposedly' grows up to be an evil rapist. Well, if I spent my teen years getting beaten to death and revived, that won't exactly make me a good person either. That, and the classic 'Shoot First, no questions' cliche. fudge whoever wrote this! There's suspension of disbelief, and then there's insulting my [expletive] IQ!
Baka and Test- First off, the premise is a bit absurd. They use PokeDigiYugiBaku Monsters to get a class room? What, was filling out paperwork not a stupid enough idea?
Second, the adults are bigger morons than the main characters. Himeji gets sent to their school's equivalent of the special classes because she had a medical emergency. Umm, shouldn't that qualify her for a second chance on the entrance exam? I know Japan has high standards, but I didn't think they were that high. Also, there's the fact that they seem to ignore students getting physically assaulted. Are the teachers blind? I'm pretty sure assault is suspension worthy. When they're not being completely neglectful, they outright insult the students to their faces. You know, if my teachers called me an idiot and allowed bullying to take place, I'm sure his ass would get the pink slip.
Third, the characters are either bland or [expletive] annoying. It's like the Final Fantasy VIII of anime. I find myself hating every single character. Yuji is the only tolerable one because he actually has a personality that doesn't involve being an asshole to Yoshi. This brings me to one of my most hated anime characters: Minami fudging Shimada! It's like every word of her dialouge is an insult. It's like every action of her's is to beat people up for dropping a pencil. You don't want Yoshi calling you a violent macho chick? Try not acting like one, you twat! Could you be anymore poorly written?
Finally, it seems to be a recurring theme to make Yoshi suffer. He's like if you took Charley Brown and injected him with Sakura from "Bludgeoning Angel Dokuro-chan's" cells. I would hate him for being somewhat of a jerk, but in all honesty, everyone bullies him much worse. If this series ended with him taking a gun and going on a Columbine-style rampage, I think I would say that I got rewarded for sitting through this drek.
God, not only is this one of the most overrated anime, it's also one of the worst I've seen. I only sat through two episodes of this, and I nearly lost my voice screaming at all the wall bangers those episodes had. Baka and Test: Written by an idiot, and the ultimate test of a viewer's patience.
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Mesonoxian Eve
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:57 pm
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Animeking1108 wrote: |
Lucky Star- Think "Seinfeld," but for weeaboos. |
And this is where I stop reading.
The forum is not a toilet.
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Gatherum
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:15 pm
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Mesonoxian Eve wrote: |
Animeking1108 wrote: |
Lucky Star- Think "Seinfeld," but for weeaboos. |
And this is where I stop reading.
The forum is not a toilet. |
Actually, I've used that exact analogy to describe it before. It's not like it's wrong; Seinfeld is as much a sitcom as a sitcom can get and Lucky Star is probably the slice-of-life, otaku-centric sitcom of anime. The key differences are how kawaii desu it is and how much less whiny and generally more awesome Konata is than Seinfeld as a character.
That said, I can agree that it may be a tad overrated, OP, but I must admit that it has stricken my fancy probably a bit more than could be expected for someone with a preference for Ghost in the Shell and Ergo Proxy-like mindfuckery. <.<
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Fedpo
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:41 pm
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I'm confused... aren't Inuyasha and Fullmetal Alchemist both Shonen Jump anime?
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st_owly
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:57 pm
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Fedpo wrote: | I'm confused... aren't Inuyasha and Fullmetal Alchemist both Shonen Jump anime? |
Naw. Inuyasha is from Shonen Sunday and FMA is from Shonen Gangan. Similar magazines, but from different publishers.
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moonie92
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:18 pm
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Uh I can't think of too many but off the top of my head I can think of one.
Wolf's Rain. It just wasn't that great. Cheza the flower maiden is an underdeveloped character at best. The music was superb but the rest was rather lackluster. I didn't understand why everyone recommended it to me. I don't hate it but I doubt I'll ever watch it again.
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ailblentyn
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:59 pm
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Mesonoxian Eve wrote: | And this is where I stop reading.
The forum is not a toilet. |
Thank you.
I have to say I far preferred FMA to Brotherhood. As I have not read the manga and probably never will, all I'm interested in is the experience of the anime. And whereas I found the pacing and tone of the original adaptation involving, I thought Brotherhood was off-putting from the start: the story was not told in a way that intrigued me, and the choppy tone and ill-judged comic intrusions made the tone choppy and prevented me developing a relationship with the characters.
Animeking1108 wrote: | Are the people who hate "Brotherhood" saying Hiromu Arakawa, the creator, doesn't know her own series better than the animators? |
As far as my enjoyment of the two anime is concerned this rhetorical question is quite irrelevant.
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Animeking1108
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:16 pm
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The first few episodes up to the fight with Greed, I understand. But I think the studio wanted to get the parts the original series already did out of the way.
[EDIT: Please do not excessively quote. Only quote relevant parts or simply reply "@user" if your post will appear directly underneath the other person's. -TK]
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amarielah
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:19 pm
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I couldn't really take you seriously once you started saying that the first FMA series is praised more often than Brotherhood.
A few years ago I might have agreed with you, because the first series was at one point very overhyped. But that spot has since been completely usurped by Brotherhood.
FMA 2003 hasn't been "overrated" for a while, unless you mean that people liking it at all -- or, gasp, preferring it to Brotherhood -- is enough to make it overrated.
Quote: | Are the people who hate "Brotherhood" saying Hiromu Arakawa, the creator, doesn't know her own series better than the animators? God, read a manga every now and then. |
No, they're saying that they preferred the way the "animators"(?) told the story. And it's not the first or the last time that an adaptation appeals to a different audience than its source material. Example: I could never get into any of the Avengers comics, but I absolutely adored all of their movies. I also thought that the first season of "Game of Thrones" did a much better job of storytelling than the first book of ASOIAF. I wouldn't have read the rest of the series if GoT hadn't been made, because I could never get myself to read the novel all the way to the end.
Incidentally, I couldn't bring myself to finish the FMA manga, either. I enjoyed it up to a point, but then it took the characters and plot to places that no longer interested me. There's...not really anything else to it.
In other words, I'm not going to like something simply by virtue of it being the "original" version. I guess sometimes it takes more than one brain to make a story that really hooks me.
And as for InuYasha:
Since when has it ever been overrated? I always took "overrated" to mean that it gets undue praise from critics and fans, rather than simply being popular. When I think of overrated, I think more along the lines of Evangelion. I don't think I've ever met an Inuyasha fan who claimed it to be a flawless masterpiece. If anything, people are pretty harsh on InuYasha.
Quote: | Another major problem I have with the series is its protagonist: I know he's supposed to be an anti-hero, but most of the time, he acts like a petulant child. |
Well...yeah. He does get better, though. Character development and all that.
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rosebrook11
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:25 pm
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Just because I love the Fullmetal Alchemist manga doesn't mean I have to prefer Brotherhood to the original series. Which I don't.
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naninanino
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:48 pm
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Whoa. A good old "I don't like these popular anime" spiced with some "FMA vs FMAB" -thread. I wish I didn't see hundreds of these before and reach a point where all ratings have become totally obsolete in their usefulness for myself. It's very helpful actually. Lets you focus and enjoy things better. I recommend trying it out.
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amagee
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:36 pm
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Animeking1108 wrote: |
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I still remember this being quite good demon-and-such-long-time-adventure fair when I was a kid. Having seen some more recently, it's certainly not terrible but not as good as I remember it. I think nostalgia with a lot of people is what could make this overrated.
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It's very simple for me. I liked both series and think they are both worthy of their respective hype. People seem to get all kinds of sand in their lower extremities because the original didn't follow the manga. Judging the original series via this and not its own merits is asinine.
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This series is fantastic for me save the "Endless Eight" debacle. I don't think it's all that overrated. Not to belittle any person's real issues with the series but, in my experience, a lot of people don't like this series because it was popular; they often don't have much to say when I ask them what they don't like.
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I haven't seen this. I do need to try it just because it is so appallingly popular.
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From my experience, this show isn't even well-known enough to be called overrated. I thought it was delightfully stupid and ridiculous.
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Baka and Test
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Again, this doesn't even seem to be that popular. That being said, it's fun and dimwitted sometimes but not nearly as epic as I had been told before I saw it again.
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Soundmonkey44
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:39 pm
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Everything is overrated some way or another. But if I had to choose, I guess I too would go with FMA: Brotherhood, i mean don't get me wrong its an enjoyable series overall, but I always hear people talking about how its so much better then the original (usually just because its more accurate to the manga) Personally I enjoy the original FMA better, but meh, thats just me.
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Polycell
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:15 am
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Fullmetal Alchemist and Brotherhood told two different stories; some will prefer the anime-original story and some will prefer the manga-originated one. I personally watched the first few episodes of Brotherhood and lost interest. I really don't care about the fact that it's an actual adaptation of the manga.
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Zalis116
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:27 am
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Quote: | Nothing really happens in this show except for conversations about food and anime pop-culture references. [...] I only watched the first episode, and I couldn't get into it. |
And here we have another proud graduate of the School of Crystal Ball Criticism.
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