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Aylinn
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Group A-1
Eden of the East "I Picked Up A Prince" vs. Full Moon "I Want To Sing" The first episode of FMwS shows a decent promise, but I don't remember it very well. I certainly remember the later episodes in which the past of the characters is revealed, and a pretty good drama that they contain, but the first episode is not as memorable. Eden of the East has the better first episodes. There are scenes that I still remember very well. That's not something I can say about FMwS's first episode. Group A-2 Bakemonogatari "Hitagi Crab: Part 1" vs. Skip Beat! "And The Box Was Opened" Bakemonogatari, because it was more intriguing. Skip Beat is good and the hook at the end is a strong one, but I found Bakemonogatari more amusing. Group A-3 His and Her Circumstances "Her Circumstances" vs. Last Exile "First Move" His and Her Circumstances. The first episode of Last Exile doesn't excel at plot and characterization. The show as a whole is very good, but the most memorable characters are: Dio, Delphine, Alex Row, none of them is important or even appear in the first episode. And I found Lavie and Cluse, especially Clause, (throughout the whole series) to be lacklustre characters. Group A-4 Azumanga Daioh “Child High School Student / She's a Prodigy / Scary Maybe? / Wildcat Tomo-chan! / The Osakan Gal” vs. Monster "Herr Doctor Tenma" I saw both series around the same time and I remember watching the first episode of Monster very well. It has great promise that is different from the majority of anime. It also succeed in hinting what kind of show it will be. I found it intriguing and I was hooked by it. On the other hand, the first episode of Azumanga Daioh is not as memorable as Monster's first episode. I don't even remember the first episode of AD. I remember that I enjoyed the show as a whole, but the first episode just isn't that great. Besides, Monster's style is so distinctive that it is, as it's not easily copied, fresh and original, despite the fact that a lot of time has passed since Monster aired. |
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mow123
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Group A-1
Eden of the East "I Picked Up A Prince" vs. Full Moon "I Want To Sing" Full Moon's first episode isn't a pushover, but it doesn't begin to compare to visual richness, developing intrigue, charismatic characters, and truly memorable distinctive real life setting that Eden of the East has to offer in its first episode. Full Moon may have a great first episode, but EotE's is excitingly unique and memorable. Group A-2 Bakemonogatari "Hitagi Crab: Part 1" vs. Skip Beat! "And The Box Was Opened" Skip Beat's strong hook, and dramatic character transformation edges out the unique artistry and amusing female lead that Bakemonogatari has to offer. After the first episode, I have a much better idea on what direction Skip Beat will take compared to the somewhat aimless but still interesting first episode of Bakemonogatari. Group A-3 His and Her Circumstances "Her Circumstances" vs. Last Exile "First Move" Another tough first round pick. Last Exile should barely squeak by HaHC based on the immersiveness and richness of its setting. Last Exile also has stronger artistry and animation, but I will try not to hold that against the aging HaHC. HaHC does make the better first impression with its female lead, but outside of her the episode wasn't especially memorable. Another important factor is that Last Exile delvers excitement in its first episode while HaHC seems to just promise it while developing its female lead. Group A-4 Azumanga Daioh “Child High School Student / She's a Prodigy / Scary Maybe? / Wildcat Tomo-chan! / The Osakan Gal” vs. Monster "Herr Doctor Tenma" As someone who is a big fan of both shows, Monster's first episode just barely edges out Azumanaga Daioh's. The deciding factor is that after watching the first episode of Monster; I knew I had something excitingly mature and well written that is distinctly different for anime standards. On the other hand, the first episode of Azumanga Daioh promises great fun and delivers, but doesn't deviate greatly from the typical anime offerings. Also, as Aylinn mentions Monster has a distinct style that's highly memorable; unfortunately, that's not a trait shared by AD. |
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Key
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Just finished watching the first episode of Full Moon, so now I feel I can make a fully informed vote.
Group A-1 Eden of the East "I Picked Up A Prince" vs. Full Moon "I Want To Sing" The first episode of Full Moon has a lot going for it: while it may start off ditzy, it presents an interesting and compelling premise and finishes very strong, including a great song. Problem is, its competition also has a great song ("Falling Down" by Oasis), presents a fresh-looking premise and interesting characters that are at least as compelling, and blows FM out of the water on artistry and technical merits. The only thing FM's first episode clearly beats Eden of the East's on is emotional appeal, and that isn't enough here. Group A-2 Bakemonogatari "Hitagi Crab: Part 1" vs. Skip Beat! "And The Box Was Opened" Neither is even close to a favorite, but I remember being more impressed by Bakemonogatari when they both first came out. It was weirdly different, but in a good way, whereas SB felt more like a variation on standard shojo fare. Group A-3 His and Her Circumstances "Her Circumstances" vs. Last Exile "First Move" This one is a much, much tougher choice than either of the previous two. Last Exile is the clear winner on technical and artistic merits and does present a fascinating new world to explore, but after some thought I am giving the edge to His and Her Circumstances here because it accomplishes a rare feat for anime: it provides an involved and compelling character study in its first episode, one which can draw viewers in as they realize that Yukino is not just your ordinary anime girl and which implies a greater degree of depth and complexity than is seen in most series. However, I won't be terribly disappointed if this match goes the other way. Group A-4 Azumanga Daioh “Child High School Student / She's a Prodigy / Scary Maybe? / Wildcat Tomo-chan! / The Osakan Gal” vs. Monster "Herr Doctor Tenma" Monster probably should win here, but I really was not impressed by its first episode, in large part because I found it annoyingly heavy-handed. AzuDai had plenty of fun moments in it and nicely set the pace and tone for its amusing style, but this is more of an anti-Monster vote than a pro-AzuDai one. |
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A Mystery
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Sorry for being late, when I wrote my opinions up yesterday some error occured on the internet page... and I didn't save the text somewhere else
Group A-1 Eden of the East "I Picked Up A Prince" vs. Full Moon "I Want To Sing" Voting for: Eden of the East Both episodes have a good set-up for their series. Eden of the East starts strong with an awesome opening theme, an interesting opening scene - why is that Japanese guy naked? What's that cell phone in his hand? Things quickly get exciting, with Akira's multiple passports, guns and amnesia. Saki and Akira have to escape from the police and get out of the USA. There are enough questions, action, some humor and excitement to keep watching. The female protagonist Saki seems to be a bit naive though. Full moon: We learn about Mitsuki, a strong girl with a tumor in her throat. Soon we meet most of the main supporting cast and we learn about their relationship with Mitsuki. The set up may be a bit predictable, but it works. The pacing's good, although it's weird that we hear the ending song twice. The animation and music/sound is not as good as Eden of the East - which is surprising, since Full Moon is about Mitsuki wanting to be a singer against all odds. The introduction of the Shinigami feels a bit like Team Rocket. The tone of the series takes some getting used to: it's a bit childish, optimistic yet tragic at the same time. I believe Eden of the East is the stronger option. Group A-2 Bakemonogatari "Hitagi Crab: Part 1" vs. Skip Beat! "And The Box Was Opened" Voting for: Skip Beat! Bakemonogatari: The first seconds already confuse me: why the panty shot? Then a lot of images and texts pop up very fast, that must've been the opening theme. Then we're introduced to Araragi-kun, the class president and their topic of discussion: Senjougahara. She seems like an interesting (scary!) tsundere for once. She seems to have lost most of her weight. Later we learn Araragi-kun isn't normal either, having been undead and all. My issue with this episode: there's no character the audience can really identify with. At least, that's how I felt. Oh yeah, and it's very talky. The sound is nice, animation is good (and artsy), some witty remarks are made. Skip Beat!: This episode is about a doormat, Kyoko, who provides and supports her 'prince' Sho - upcoming star - even going to the extent of working two jobs and not going to high school. When she finds out he only sees her as a convenient maid and doesn't care for her at all, she snaps and vows revenge on Sho. The series likes over the top dramatic scenes and humor. The set up is perfect - who doesn't want to know what kind of woman Kyoko will become and if she'll achieve her goal? Plus, in only one episode we already see character development: from doormat to fierce revenge-seeking woman is no small change. Group A-3 His and Her Circumstances "Her Circumstances" vs. Last Exile "First Move" Voting for: His and Her Circumstances His and Her Circumstances: Wow, that episode sure is energetic. We're introduced to a one-of-a-kind-protagonist: Miyazawa, a girl of 15 years old who is a perfectionist and narcistic. Her goal in life: to be praised as much as possible! So she works her but off so all her classmates like her and praise her intellect and looks. Unfortunately, a male rival (Arima) appears. Miyazawa-san reflects a lot upon herself in this episode with the help of her sisters. Arima seems to have a crush on her. The real shock comes as her rival finds out she's just for show: he sees her in her slobby outfit on Sunday. What now? This episode is funny, we get to know Miyazawa really well and I like the music. The animation is crap, but the characters are great. Last Exile: My first reaction in the very first seconds: crap, the animation quality is 1.000.000 times better than His and Her Circumstances. Then I hear jarring music (yup, sometimes opening themes need some getting used to). Well, at least the beat's funky and the visuals nice. The episode starts with an epic battle - not much is explained than that some ship must be retrieved. After that we learn more of what seem to be the protagonists: a breakfast skipping girl and a boy who don't have a rich life. With their plane they get their job for today: to deliver some documents. Did we need that much footage of the war, when we don't care about either side (yet) of the battle nor know what's really going on? I'd rather have had them focus more on the characters. The world building seems good. I prefer the first choice, where we know more about the story and characters. Group A-4 Azumanga Daioh “Child High School Student / She's a Prodigy / Scary Maybe? / Wildcat Tomo-chan! / The Osakan Gal” vs. Monster "Herr Doctor Tenma" Voting for: Azumanga Daioh Azumanga Daioh: The first scene with Yukari-sensei is a good example of the entire show. There's humor, slice-of-life, some touching and some bizarre moments. Monster: It might be that this is not really my cup of tea. It took a while for me to get into the series (and even then I didn't finish it by a long margin). The first episode explains why dr. Tenma made his choice to operate on the boy and there's a clue from the girl 'Kill him...', but we don't have a full grasp on the story yet. We get a lesson on hospital politics, but I remember that's not really what the series is about. It's a matter of taste maybe, but I'm voting for Azumanga Daioh. |
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GDFan
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Group A-1
Eden of the East "I Picked Up A Prince" vs. Full Moon "I Want To Sing" I have nothing against Full Moon, but Eden of the East had one of the most memorable opening scenes in anime. There are a lot of intriguing elements throughout the episode and it really does completely draw you in. Group A-2 Bakemonogatari "Hitagi Crab: Part 1" vs. Skip Beat! "And The Box Was Opened" I'll admit that Skip Beat! was a little slow going at first, but by the end of the first episode I was hooked. At first Sho just seemed like a jerk. But the end of the first episode revealed him to be the type of character that you can love to hate. Group A-3 His and Her Circumstances "Her Circumstances" vs. Last Exile "First Move" With one of the most exciting first episodes in this tournament, Last Exile gets my vote. After only one episode, I wasn't exactly sure what was going on. But this clearly elaborate world and it's characters definitely grab your attention and demand that you keep watching. Group A-4 Azumanga Daioh “Child High School Student / She's a Prodigy / Scary Maybe? / Wildcat Tomo-chan! / The Osakan Gal” vs. Monster "Herr Doctor Tenma" I went with Monster in the mini-game, But I can't not vote for Azumanga Daioh. It didn't take long at all for me to completely fall in love with these characters. I think Tomo may be my all time favorite character in anime, but the whole cast is really great. This is one of the most fun series I've seen, and the first episode is no exception. |
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The Naked Beast
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Group A-1
Eden of the East "I Picked Up A Prince" vs. Full Moon "I Want To Sing" What better way to start a series than by introducing a naked protagonist? The best way to draw you in a series is with questions. Unanswered questions demands answers. To get them, you have to keep watching and that is never a bad thing. My vote goes to: Eden of the East. Group A-2 Bakemonogatari "Hitagi Crab: Part 1" vs. Skip Beat! "And The Box Was Opened" I saw the first episode a while back and it left a great first impression on me. Even I have to agree with Koyomi that Senjougahara is a weird family name. There is the supernatural theme with Senjougahara's being a feather weight, literally, and Koyomi's previous undead status. The animation is superb showcasing its high production value. This was one of the most interesting series and first episodes, especially, I have seen in my years of watching anime. My vote goes to: Bakemonogatari. Group A-3 His and Her Circumstances "Her Circumstances" vs. Last Exile "First Move" The sky is the limit as the saying goes. The spectacle of a airship battle was reminiscent of old wars past as even there are rules to abide by in battle. Taking turns shooting each other seems weird but apparently that is how they do it as gentlemen. Speaking of gentlemen and nobility, the disparities of the rich and poor is quite apparent when our main characters are excited to see clean, ready-to-drink water when reaching their assignment. I can go on and on but have to stop here. One last thing I will say is that the setting and world of Last Exile is as vast and wide as the open skies. My vote goes to: Last Exile. Group A-4 Azumanga Daioh “Child High School Student / She's a Prodigy / Scary Maybe? / Wildcat Tomo-chan! / The Osakan Gal” vs. Monster "Herr Doctor Tenma" The first episode clearly shows you the wackiness and zaniness of this series. Who knew you would meet so many unique characters in high school? Get ready for the best three years of high school with the energetic, cute, stoic, self-conscious, day dreaming, tomboyish, series known as Azumanga Daioh. My vote goes to: Azumanga Daioh. |
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Key
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Round 1 Group A (part 1) is now closed.
With 20 votes in (not bad, but not what I was hoping for, either), the results: A-1: Eden of the East crushes Full Moon's dreams, 17-3. A-2: Bakemonogatari goes stapler-crazy on Skip Beat!, 13-7. A-3: His and Her Circumstances squeaks by Last Exile, 11-9. A-4: Azumanga Daioh eliminates Monster in a back-and-forth battle, 11-9. A-3 and A-4 were close the whole round, with A-4 going down to the last vote (which could have forced a tie). I don't see either of the match-ups next round in this part of the bracket being as close, though. Next Group will be up soon; I'm having problems with one of the Guide entries, for which I may be asking for a rewrite. . . |
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Key
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Round 1 Group A Part 2 is now closed.
Results can be found here. And now for the bottom half of the Group! One special note: Unfortunately I waited until close to the last minute to do the Guide entries and so failed to notice until too late that the Kenshin entry is a mess. I would happily accept a rewrite of the Synopsis and Why It’s Great parts; please PM them to me if you’re interested in doing them. Group A-5 FLCL vs. Detroit Metal City Group A-6 Time of Eve vs. Serial Experiments Lain Group A-7 Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion vs. Great Teacher Onizuka Group A-8 Rurouni Kenshin Trust and Betrayal OVA vs. Welcome to the NHK Last edited by Key on Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:28 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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dtm42
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I'm really quite pleased at how the tournament is doing its duty. I'm using it as an excuse to check out series that I've been meaning to but have never gotten around to. Last week there were four series I checked out, this week there will be another two; Detroit Metal City and Welcome to the NHK. It's great to check out new shows.
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Ggultra2764
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Guess I'll claim dibs on first vote.
Match A-5: FLCL Sad that I have to vote against Detroit Metal City, but FLCL has more than just comedy to hook you into its first episode as it introduces you to the cynical outlook Naota has on his life, tinkers with different animation methods that add to its comedic flair and offer up some mysteries to keep you wanting more such as Haruko's intentions and why Naota has robots coming out of his forehead. Match A-6: Time of Eve Ouch, this one was a doozie for me to pick from. Both of them definitely do enough to stick out from the norm for the opening episode of an anime. But much as I like Lain, I have to admit that the first episode will make or break one's enjoyment of later episodes as its surreal presentation and abstract way of presenting details would alienate viewers who prefer their anime to not be so vague with how they convey themselves. Time of Eve is easier to get into with its first episode as the two boys are introduced to the Time of Eve cafe's environment and their realization that androids are gaining sentience, making it more easier to follow than Lain's opening episode. Match A-7: Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion Great Teacher Onizuka's first episode has some comedic and heartwarming moments from Onizuka's teaching experience, but its plot is self-contained and things don't get as fun until the following episode when Onizuka sets his sights on trying to get hired at Holy Forest Academy. Code Geass delivers enough in its first episode to have you become familiar with its dystopian world with Britannia ruling Japan, have a good hook to have you going into the next episode when CC pops in to give Lelouch Geass and slaughter the soldiers who were about to kill him and has great quality visuals and animation for a TV anime series. Match A-8: Rurouni Kenshin: Trust and Betrayal An easy win for Trust and Betrayal in my eyes. If you seen the Rurouni Kenshin TV series, this first episode to the OAV series does enough to make you realize this will be a whole different creature from the TV series with its more realistic visual details, fluid and intense battle scenes and its more violent and serious mood. The first episode delivers plenty of depth on Kenshin's past which covers how he met up with Hiko Seijuro to learn Hiten Mitsurugi-ryu and their later falling out from differing beliefs which led Kenshin to become a hitokiri in fighting to end the reign of the Tokugawa shogunate in Japan. The introduction of Tomoe's character at the end of the episode serves as an effective hook for the following episode to see how Kenshin handles having a witness to one of his latest assassinations. |
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dtm42
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Just realised that I'd made a mistake in the writeup of Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion. It is only a small mistake - a single line - but it annoys me nonetheless. Although I'm actually more annoyed that I didn't realise there was a mistake until now.
Here is the mistake-free writeup (with a few very minor wording alterations to other parts of it): Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion: "The Day a New Demon was Born" Type of Series: Drama, Mecha, Revolution, School Synopsis: Seven years after Japan is invaded by the Britannian empire we meet the brilliant but cynical Lelouch. Interestingly, he loathes the Britannians despite being one himself. He accidentally gets mixed up in a heist by the Japanese resistance who steal from the Britannians what they believe is poison gas. However, what they've actually acquired is really a mysterious green-haired girl. Lelouch is found by a soldier - Suzaku, his old friend - who refuses to shoot Lelouch and so is shot by his superior instead. The girl then gives Lelouch a power, which he uses to kill a dozen Britannian soldiers. The episode ends with Lelouch grinning (see picture). What Makes it Great: The picture at the end says it all. Lelouch has just used mind control on a squad of soldiers and ordered them to commit suicide, and instead of blanching at their deaths he merely grins. This is a refreshing reaction that Anime leads rarely display, and helps set him up as an anti-hero who knows that the only thing that will help the poor and downtrodden is power, and lots of it. Previously hamstrung due to being a mere student, now he has the ability to fight Britannia on equal terms, and he loves it. Additional pluses in the episode are wanting to know more about the mysterious girl and if Suzaku's okay, as well as the strong technical merits and quick pacing. Image: http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii81/Izayuukan/CodeGeass.jpg Link: http://www.crunchyroll.com/code-geass-lelouch-of-the-rebellion |
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Ikari1
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Why exactly is it a mess apart from maybe being too long? I edited that over 11 times to make sure it was sorted and spent alot of time writing it so yeah let me know what the problem is and I will sort it. Just to clarify you did go back and use the final edited version of the write up rather than the innitial post which was full of mistakes and grammatical errors? I mentioned that I had finished editing that post at about the same time that DTM42 said he was going to go back and do a final once over of all the write ups aswell. It was also finished on the same day I posted it so it's not like I've left it to the last minute to edit it either. I remember that quite a lot of people voted for Kenshin straight after wards and nobody else had any problems with it at the time???? Im not being arsey here, it's just that I spent alot of time writing that entry and now its just being re written for no reason as I see. I don't have a copy of this backed up on word either so I'm hoping that the old thread with the nominations and write ups hasn't completely dissapeered? I can see that some of what I wrote on there is missing aswell. I included information about the visuals used in the flashback scenes for example and they are nowhere to be seen on the bracket links above. Basically the final version of the write up isnt the one included above. Dean |
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Here's the page including your original write-up for Rurouni Kenshin OVA.
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Ikari1
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You're a star cheers |
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Ikari1
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Right heres the full writeup after being run through spell checker again to save a little hassle. If you want any of it changed let me know. Im saving it to word now..... Nominating: Rurouni Kenshin Trust and Betrayal OVA part 1: The man of the slashing sword. Type of series: Historical, Romance, action, Samurai, tragedy. Synopsis: I’m sure most of you will have seen this already or at least be familiar with the TV series. This is one of my favourite first episode introductions into not just the Kenshin universe but anime itself. This was one of the first things I watched when I was just getting into anime and it still remains as one of the most beautiful stories I have ever seen told in animated format. The first episode of the trust and betrayal OVA deals with the bloody beginnings of the wandering swordsman Kenshin and is set before the TV series during the bloody period of upheaval in Japan known as the meiji Restoration era. The story opens most notably with '' In memories: A boy meets the man'', by Taku Iwasaki. Iwasaki wrote all of the musical score for this OVA and it really is some of the most beautiful and emotive music I have ever heard in an anime series to date. It utterly sets the atmosphere perfectly and drags you into the story almost by its self. During the opening scenes we see Kenshin as a young boy and you learn that Kenshin's real name is Shinta. He is traveling with a group of women who have been caring for him after his parents died of Cholera and was sold to slave traders. The group is set upon by bandits and what follows is a particularly brutal massacre of the group and the 3 young women that have been protecting Kenshin. Kenshin is saved by a master swordsman of the Hiten Mitsurugi style, Seijuro Hiko. Sejiro leaves the scene telling Kenshin that it is pointless to hold any grudges and commenting that he has become used to the smell of blood so much that events like these no longer surprise him. Later Seijuro returns to the scene to find that Kenshin has amazingly buried all of the corpses including those of the bandits and erected grave markers. Seijuro is impressed and offers up some sake to the dead. He tells Kenshin that he will train him in the most deadly of all the sword techniques and that his name from then on will be Kenshin rather than Shinta. During these opening scenes the art and camera work highlight and captures perfectly the savage and dark nature of the period that the story is set in. The feeling of uneasiness and uncertainty that defined this warring period in Japan is portrayed brilliantly. We are later shown that Kenshin cuts his training short to fight in the struggles despite Seijuro's advice that he would live a life as a murderer if he did. Kenshin maintains that he wishes to save people and use his skills for the people. We are shown during the events of the OVA, the first time Kenshin takes a life and we are also introduced to Saito Hajime and Okita of the Shinsengumi. Whilst most of the story centres on Kenshin's life as an assassin and the beginning of strife for Katsura in the Choshu, there are flashbacks every now and again that show Kenshin's training with his master. These scenes offer us some insight into Kenshin's beliefs and his reasons for fighting. The transition of these scenes and cuts flows like water within the story offering an uninterrupted viewing experience that leaves you immersed within the story the whole time. I particularly like the way that water/sake is used in some of these scenes where upon Kenshin is shown looking at his reflection shortly before we see a cut into a past memory. It's a subtle way of showing the audience that Kenshin is always questioning what he is doing and that he is beginning to be torn in two. This first part of the OVA is very violent and effectively shows the horrors that Kenshin endures and lives with everyday. The fights are beautifully put together and animated with a lot of emphasis placed on accurately capturing the vibrant scenery of Japan during that period. The violence is graphic but not to the point that it becomes gratuitous. It suits the themes and symbols that come up in the series and is an important image that represents the savage darkness in the daily lives of people fighting during the Meiji restoration. Whilst a lot of the OVA is very dark with a lot of violence, the introduction of Tomoe towards the end of the first episode allows us to see the guilty and immature side to Kenshin's character. She is very kind and under spoken but she hides a tragic past that brings an even greater feeling of sadness to the story once she and Kenshin meet for the first time and her affect on Kenshin's heart begins. What makes this great: I like everything about the first episode of this OVA. The music is amazing and constantly compliments the scenes it is played in. The art and storytelling bring the dark world of the Meiji restoration period to life with beautiful visuals and fast paced action. There is not much that I can honestly say that is bad about this episode. Everything fits together and works within the story flawlessly. It really is a unique and intense experience to watch and will drag you into Kenshin's story easily if you can get over the predominant darkness of the plot. It's a great first episode and if you have seen it, I'm sure you can understand why I think this more than deserves your votes at least as a contender. [url] anime#210[/url] |
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