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Pop-Art Samurai
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:10 pm
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Quote: | It is the best animated movie released in America through the first seven months of 2005, and since it has had a (very) limited theatrical release it is more deserving of a nomination for 2005’s Academy Award for Best Animated Film than Howl’s Moving Castle. |
Point of view, certainly.
On the other hand, since I haven't actually seen Place Promised I may be speaking out of turn. Still, even when reviews are obviously the opinions of those who write them, it's quite a statement to say "It is the best..."
Oh well, I'll hopefully be able to pick this up soon.
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KasugaSan
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:09 am
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I've watched it, and the art is really superior. I really admired Makoto Shinkai for his fantastic work. The story is really good too.
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Tenchi
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:06 pm
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Deserving or not, it's not actually going to get nominated because virtually no one in the Academy will likely hear about it. It's technically eligible, but has no real prayer.
EDIT: Okay, the unlikeliness that all that many Academy members will see it IS actually addressed by the review. but I'm very, very skeptical that ADV has the sort of scratch needed to conduct the kind of For Your Consideration campaign that would get serious attention, particularly for a sideshow category like Best Animated Feature. Full page print ads in Variety and The Hollywood Reporter are very expensive, and I remember that both Tokyo Godfathers and Millenium Actress actually did get the full page print FYC ads but didn't get anywhere, because they just didn't have the same level of critical momentum from mainstream critics (especially Ebert) that Spirited Away had. Plus, some people might cry fowl at the 200 or so screens Disney gives Miyazaki films, but, compared to the distribution other serious anime films get, for award chances, it makes a big difference.
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coldfusion5050
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 4:33 am
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Quote: | for some reason they can’t seem to animate Sayuri right. She looks very awkward and unnatural in a couple of scenes where she is shown running, and a couple of other brief shots where she is talking to the boys look very jerky. |
I will agree with the running thing, which was something I noticed when I first watched it. It looks like her legs fly out to the side for her to run. As for the jeriness, I think that was more to her really!-OMG-cheery-bubbly-self than anything else.
As for the plot, it has a few unanswered questions, but I think that is good thing because it keeps our focus on the characters. And besides, BSed science fiction is the best.
Another great job from ADV and Shinaki.
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JackBassV
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:22 am
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Quote: | What does The Union expect to gain from what it’s doing with its tower, for instance? And wouldn’t the sleeping Sayuri be held under much tighter security and surveillance given how important she supposedly is? |
Having seen this when it first came out, these points are covered.
The Tower is an unknown quantity. Since the Union is the enemy, no one on the Japanese side knows what will happen when the tower is activated nor what the Union expect to happen.
As for Sayuri - Her link to the tower is only identified later in the story. When the Link is confirmed, the Military prepare to transfer her to a secure site.
Hope this clears these points up^_^
JBV^_^
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Key
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:43 am
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JackBassV wrote: |
Quote: | What does The Union expect to gain from what it’s doing with its tower, for instance? And wouldn’t the sleeping Sayuri be held under much tighter security and surveillance given how important she supposedly is? |
Having seen this when it first came out, these points are covered.
The Tower is an unknown quantity. Since the Union is the enemy, no one on the Japanese side knows what will happen when the tower is activated nor what the Union expect to happen.
As for Sayuri - Her link to the tower is only identified later in the story. When the Link is confirmed, the Military prepare to transfer her to a secure site.
Hope this clears these points up^_^
JBV^_^ |
Your second answer makes sense.
The first one doesn't really answer the question, though. Yeah, I'll agree, no one on the Japanese side really has a clue about what it does, but that still doesn't explain why the Union would want to build something which transposes dimensions on a massive scale. It just seems to exist for the sake of doing something really weird and cool rather than for any practical reason. (Granted, practicality usually isn't a high priority in sci-fi anime, but this is a particularly extreme example.)
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GoodLuckSaturday
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:13 am
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Key wrote: | It just seems to exist for the sake of doing something really weird and cool rather than for any practical reason. |
Like the scene where Takuya pulls a gun on Hiroki and complains about childish dreams, but willingly helps him anyway?
I've watched the film three times and I still can't put my finger on the purpose of that scene.
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coldfusion5050
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:09 pm
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Like the scene where Takuya pulls a gun on Hiroki and complains about childish dreams, but willingly helps him anyway?
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That scene was to explain to Hiroki that this wasn't just going to be a game, and there was a chance her would be killed along with Sayuri if he went through with it. Also, not knowing what exactly was going to happen when Sayuri woke up, the world could have been wiped out by the expanding affected area of the tower.
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AuraShadow
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:00 am
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I know I'm kinda of late and all, but I just saw it today, and quite honestly it had the exact same problems that Voice of a Distant Star did.
Ok, first, le'ts do the pluses
1) Top notch animation and CGI
2) The diaolge was interesting and technolgicaly insightful.
Ok that's all the pluses I can give because everything else was just horrible.
What makes this and his other movie just, stupid in my opinon is his characters. In voices of a distant star the girl was like "I'm a girl, whose in love with a guy, and to express my feelings toward him I'm going to send him messages, but obviosuly I'm too stupid to take into consideration Einstein’s Theory or Relativitiy and that it'll take years to reach him, and that by the time I see him he will either be 2 or 3 times my age or DEAD, and I'll be basicly the same, so I just don't save us alot of time, heartache, etc, AND LEAVE HIM ALONE AND LET HIM MOVE ON!"
And this dude is like "I'm a dude, and this girl who I only knew for a while, who I happened to like for a while dissapered, and now, even though it's been 4 years, I have a successful job, and a girl who obviously likes me, I'm going to close off the rest of the world, and be this little angsty , whinny guy, who refuses to move on, and continue to have dreams ABOUT A JUNIOR HIGH CRUSH! When obviously I sucssesful scientist like myself, who has discovered a way to view parrarell universes, needs to dwell on something as insignificate as that."
COMPLETE IDIOTS!!! NO ONE DOES THAT!!!! Why makes characters, who REFUSE TO LET THINGS GO!? Stupidest Ideal I have EVER heard of. AND I'M A 16 YR OLD GIRL! I'm supposed to like this stuff based on my gender!
This had ALTO of potintial to be something great, but he did EXACTLY he did with Voices of a Distant star, make characters hold on to something petty.
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Key
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:10 am
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Wow, you sound jaded, AuraShadow. Besides having some of your facts about VODS wrong (and the Theory of Relativity has nothing to do with this, since travel by space warps are involved), I think you're entirely missing the point of both. These are stories about people making heartfelt connections across great boundaries, not about sensible behavior.
You also grossly underestimate the sometimes-annoying ability of humans to emotionally hold on to things long after their times have past. Read newspaper advice columns sometimes; people who pine for lost loves even decades after the relationship ended, and those who have trouble letting go of relationships despite years of separation, aren't all that unusual. In VODS, Noboru did try to move on after not hearing from Mikako for more than a year, but when her message did finally come, and he realized that she hadn't given up on him but had instead just run into time lag issues, it clearly brought back a powerful flood of emotions. That he would commit himself to waiting more than eight years for her next message isn't so unbelievable.
As for Mikako, do keep in mind that only a short time has passed for her in between messages, so her feelings are as fresh and strong as ever. It's also well-documented that people deeply in love often don't think rationally about what's best for themselves or for their loved ones; it doesn't surprise me at all that recent scientific studies have shown that fresh, intense love can affect the brain in much the same way as highly addictive drugs.
If, after considering this, you decide that VODS and Place Promised aren't your cup of tea, that's fine; there's a lot of other anime out there. I think you'll find, though, that my comments in the review about VODS being "much-beloved" aren't an exaggeration, and there is a reason for that. Both of these titles strike to the heart of many a viewer.
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AuraShadow
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 3:38 am
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Key wrote: | Wow, you sound jaded, AuraShadow. Besides having some of your facts about VODS wrong (and the Theory of Relativity has nothing to do with this, since travel by space warps are involved), I think you're entirely missing the point of both. These are stories about people making heartfelt connections across great boundaries, not about sensible behavior.
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I'm refering to the basic theory that time moves slower in space than it does on earth, thus he grows older as she stays the same.
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You also grossly underestimate the sometimes-annoying ability of humans to emotionally hold on to things long after their times have past. Read newspaper advice columns sometimes; people who pine for lost loves even decades after the relationship ended, and those who have trouble letting go of relationships despite years of separation, aren't all that unusual. In VODS, Noboru did try to move on after not hearing from Mikako for more than a year, but when her message did finally come, and he realized that she hadn't given up on him but had instead just run into time lag issues, it clearly brought back a powerful flood of emotions. That he would commit himself to waiting more than eight years for her next message isn't so unbelievable.
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Why would she want ot bring that back? Why would she want to burden him, if these memories only (it seems to me) sadden him. You would think, considering that she was going into battle, that she would have enough common scense to relise that if she keeps troubling him like that, especialy with the time lag, she's just making it worse? In order to truely miss someone you must give them the ability to move on. What she did was totally not needed. What if she died? What if she never came back? Wouldn't it have been better if she had siad her FINAL goodbye before she left and left the poor man alone?
Key wrote: | As for Mikako, do keep in mind that only a short time has passed for her in between messages, so her feelings are as fresh and strong as ever. It's also well-documented that people deeply in love often don't think rationally about what's best for themselves or for their loved ones; it doesn't surprise me at all that recent scientific studies have shown that fresh, intense love can affect the brain in much the same way as highly addictive drugs. |
I guess another reason I don't like it is because I've never truely been in love (and considering that I'm young, that's no surprise) I've had boyfriends, sure, but let's just say they...haven't been good relationships. Along with this and friends being "used and abused" so to speak, my general outlook on love isn't very good right now. So I find situations like VODS unnessisary and a petty attempt to try to remain connected to someone but only hurting yourself in the process. If that person truely wants me to miss them and let me keep them in my heart (and visa versa) you have to learn to let go.
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If, after considering this, you decide that VODS and Place Promised aren't your cup of tea, that's fine; there's a lot of other anime out there. I think you'll find, though, that my comments in the review about VODS being "much-beloved" aren't an exaggeration, and there is a reason for that. Both of these titles strike to the heart of many a viewer. |
Trust me I like romances. (what person doesn't) but I like romances tht make sense, and these sure as heck don't. I'll stick with animes were the lovers are actually with eachother the whole time (or most of the time) not hardly ever. )( Ex: I rewatched the last episode of Fushigi Yuugi again yesterday after a yr of not seeing it, and those tears flowed down like a river, so I'm not heartless.) Even though I found VODS horrible, I still watched this one as well, even though it had the exact same effect. (why I'm glad the copy wasn't mine) I would probably get kudos for not immediatly turning it out, I gave it a chance and watched it with a clear and open mind. My oppinon on this might change when my love-life becomes better, but as of now it's a C in my mind, barely worth watching.
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ANN_Bamboo
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:59 am
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AuraShadow wrote: |
Key wrote: | Wow, you sound jaded, AuraShadow. Besides having some of your facts about VODS wrong (and the Theory of Relativity has nothing to do with this, since travel by space warps are involved), I think you're entirely missing the point of both. These are stories about people making heartfelt connections across great boundaries, not about sensible behavior.
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I'm refering to the basic theory that time moves slower in space than it does on earth, thus he grows older as she stays the same.
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Which happened. The guy was a lot older than the girl was by the time she got back, IIRC.
And besides, not all romances have to "make sense." Take one of the quintessential romances of literature, Romeo and Juliet. If you want to nitpick sense, that romance makes no sense. Just how stupid do people have to be in order to make the asinine mistakes that they did?
But that's not the point. The point is, their romance (even though they had only briefly been introduced!) was so strong and so clinching that it transgressed all "sense" and into pure desire and love.
Authors have said time and time again that love is reckless, and people do stupid things for love, and jump through a million hoops for love. There's plenty of great romances (and real cases IRL) where people can meet for but a few minutes and devote the next few years of their life to meeting up with that person again.
Okay, so maybe Shinkai's characters are reckless and dumb, but does that matter? His stories revolves around not so much romance between kids, but of unbroken promises and vows stronger than can be broken by wars, time, and logic. People can "move on" anytime they want, but when they stick fast to a promise that they made without knowing at all if the other person will ever reciprocate-- that's fascinating, and that's moving, and that's what makes a boring love story multidimensional and riveting.
As for not making scientific sense, shoot, it's anime. When has anime ever made scientific sense? People jumping onto rooftops in one bound? Giant robots without a stable center of balance driven by unseen fuel sources defying all sorts of laws? Magical girls?! Hell, anime has never made sense, and for that matter, with the exception of Asimov and Heinlein, science fiction has never made sense. (And you mentioned Fushigi Yuugi. How in the hell does that make logical sense?)
Shinkai's stories are more than just scientific logic and schoolyard romances. His stories are about people who are so dedicated to their promises and their dreams that they're willing to throw their lives to the wind, do senseless things, and be illogical. That's something that makes his stories unique, and that's what makes Voices of a Distant Star and A Place Promised so much more than helter-skelter romances between two illogical twerps.
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AuraShadow
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:05 pm
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SakechanBD wrote: |
Which happened. The guy was a lot older than the girl was by the time she got back, IIRC.
And besides, not all romances have to "make sense." Take one of the quintessential romances of literature, Romeo and Juliet. If you want to nitpick sense, that romance makes no sense. Just how stupid do people have to be in order to make the asinine mistakes that they did?
But that's not the point. The point is, their romance (even though they had only briefly been introduced!) was so strong and so clinching that it transgressed all "sense" and into pure desire and love.
Authors have said time and time again that love is reckless, and people do stupid things for love, and jump through a million hoops for love. There's plenty of great romances (and real cases IRL) where people can meet for but a few minutes and devote the next few years of their life to meeting up with that person again.
Okay, so maybe Shinkai's characters are reckless and dumb, but does that matter? His stories revolves around not so much romance between kids, but of unbroken promises and vows stronger than can be broken by wars, time, and logic. People can "move on" anytime they want, but when they stick fast to a promise that they made without knowing at all if the other person will ever reciprocate-- that's fascinating, and that's moving, and that's what makes a boring love story multidimensional and riveting.
As for not making scientific sense, shoot, it's anime. When has anime ever made scientific sense? People jumping onto rooftops in one bound? Giant robots without a stable center of balance driven by unseen fuel sources defying all sorts of laws? Magical girls?! Hell, anime has never made sense, and for that matter, with the exception of Asimov and Heinlein, science fiction has never made sense. (And you mentioned Fushigi Yuugi. How in the hell does that make logical sense?)
Shinkai's stories are more than just scientific logic and schoolyard romances. His stories are about people who are so dedicated to their promises and their dreams that they're willing to throw their lives to the wind, do senseless things, and be illogical. That's something that makes his stories unique, and that's what makes Voices of a Distant Star and A Place Promised so much more than helter-skelter romances between two illogical twerps. |
"Love that transends time" (no, not refering to the first Inuyasha movie ) is nice in thoery, but his exucussion was horrible. Having these 2 people that just won't let, especialy if they're in a situation where they know they won't see each other in at least a desent amount of time. You can still be in love with someone, but not seeing them for years is no excuse to close yourself off and be depressed ( Kawaii-radio.net is playing "The Rose" by Sowelu right now, toally romance song as I write this lol) Life is too short to make is sad because of your attachment to ONE person. Wasting it waiting for someone isn't devotion, it's stupidity. There are many other experiences of life out there to enjoy. You are just weighing yourself down with something that has no true signifigance. These couples barely KNEW each other before they seperated; a few months AT BEST. No attachment like that is ever that strong. If they had been together for years and were a little bit more emotionaly attached THAT is the difference betweem anime romances that make sense and thoe like VODS that don't.
I never once said that animes had to make scientific sense, but the characters having a brain would be nice.
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:44 pm
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AuraShadow wrote: | Having these 2 people that just won't let, especialy if they're in a situation where they know they won't see each other in at least a desent amount of time. |
Part of what's sad in this show is that Mikakko was only gone for a short period of time from her point of view.
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You can still be in love with someone, but not seeing them for years is no excuse to close yourself off and be depressed ( Kawaii-radio.net is playing "The Rose" by Sowelu right now, toally romance song as I write this lol) Life is too short to make is sad because of your attachment to ONE person. Wasting it waiting for someone isn't devotion, it's stupidity.
I never once said that animes had to make scientific sense, but the characters having a brain would be nice. |
Realistically, people do stupid things in the name of Love. I know two 30-somethings who still get torn up about High School romances. In both cases circumstances took their "love" away from them unfairly and prematurely. In normal circumstances, when people break up, or move away, people are quick to recover, but in other circumstances, like those of my friends and those in VODS, it takes much longer for people to actually get over what happens. Obviously they don't spend every minute of their day thinking about what happened, in fact most days they probably don't even thank about it, but every once is a while something brings those memories back. It could be once a month or so, or once a year. In VODS, we only see Noburo at those times.
Your desire for anime characters to have a brain is very similar to the false belief that likable characters mean that a show is good (I can't remember the literary term for this).
Many great pieces of literature are written about unlikeable people, stupid people, and/or regular people doing dumb things.
Personally I'd rather my literature and anime not pander to the lowest common denominator by making every protagonist intelligent and likable.
You are of course entitled to your own tastes, neither my tastes nor yours are "wrong."
Quote: | AND I'M A 16 YR OLD GIRL! I'm supposed to like this stuff based on my gender! |
Actually, you aren't part of the target demographic for either movie.
Sorry if this looks like the staff ganging up on one person. It's mostly circumstantial that the three of us feel the same (well, that and VODS is a great show and our jobs are to recognize great shows :-p )
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Pop-Art Samurai
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:45 pm
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Quote: | Why makes characters, who REFUSE TO LET THINGS GO!? Stupidest Ideal I have EVER heard of. |
Certain ideals are often viewed as stupid by those who don't hold to them.
Quote: | Life is too short to make is sad because of your attachment to ONE person. |
And yet people do it every day. If it happens in real life why should we find it odd to represent it in fiction?
Ah, Tempest got in and said it all better than I could.
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