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Mr Mania



Joined: 10 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 8:23 pm Reply with quote
With the upcoming release of the new patlabor movie I have been considering picking up the old series,not only this but Lupin has just been released and for some time I have wanted to buy Robotech.Anyway this got me thinking,are old or new anime series?oav's better overall?What does everyone think?
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Ataru



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 10:29 pm Reply with quote
Middle age for me (80's/ early 90's) Sure, I like some of the older anime (Lupin mostly) as well as the newwer stuff (GitS TV, Nartou), but my fav anime period is the middle.
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Jeff-Kleist



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 11:50 pm Reply with quote
I haven't liked a new series since Bebop, Gundam Seed is decent, but I'm not doing backflips over it

I find pre-1995 stuff for the most part to be far better
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Tenchi



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 12:37 am Reply with quote
Early 80s through mid 90s mainly for me, like from Urusei Yatsura to about You're Under Arrest... but, since my anime club folded, I haven't seen too much in the way of recent, recent stuff...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2003 8:43 pm Reply with quote
Actually, I find newer Anime to be better.

There's a very logical reason why some of us older fans look back to pre-1995 Anime and say "it was so much better."

Back then, when Anime was such a small Market in North America, only the "best" Anime was brought over. Now, with such a large market, even the garbage is brought over... so it seems to us North American fans, that there's so much more crap today. In fact, there always was crap, but most of it just stayed in Japan.

I put "best" in quotes, because what was actually brought over was Anime that was expected to do well with American fans... Not stuff that was better in any litereary sense.

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JETBLACK87



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2003 8:47 pm Reply with quote
there wouldn't be what there is today unless there was the older stuff.
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Dan42
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2003 12:10 am Reply with quote
Like Tempest I prefer newer anime. As much as I hate Evangelion, I have to give it credit for making "deep" anime popular. Everything after 1995 shows steadily increasing levels of complexity, sophistication and depth. And I dig that. Very much. I doubt that before NGE it would have been possible to see stuff like Lain, Gasaraki, Haibane Renmei, Argento Soma. Not to mention the feature films like Perfect Blue, Jin-Roh or Millennium Actress.

But unlike Tempest I have another explanation why so many people think "the good old days" were better. It's simply a matter of when you jumped into anime. When you started, everything was new and cool and incredible. As time passes, you become more jaded and it's more difficult to like new stuff, even if objectively is has the same quality as the old stuff.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2003 12:29 am Reply with quote
Which isn't to say that there aren't pre-1990 titles that I don't like.

Among my favorites are Bubblegum Crisis, AD Police Files, Lupin ... and many more older Anime.

But I'd have to say that I think the average Anime today, is slightely better than the average Anime 15 years ago.
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Tenchi



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2003 12:58 am Reply with quote
Obviously, a lot of TV anime today has much higher production values overall than back in the 80s, but I like the sort of character designs from that era, from people like Yuji Moriyama, Atsuko Nakajima, Haruhiko Mikimoto, and, especially, Akemi Takada.
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nancyn



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2003 4:22 pm Reply with quote
I think it's all good, depending on the series. It's hard for me to tell about current anime because I think a lot of the stuff that is coming out domestically now is really from the mid 90s.

The one thing that I do notice is a lot of the OAVs and movies of popular TV series are not as good although the quality is a lot more posh and expensive. For instance, I *weep* to see anything Ramna after season 1...all that money in the production of the OAVs for ferret-faced characters with crudely-drawn noses who all look the same.... definitely prefer the Inuyasha tv series animation to the movie as well--course, you can tell they put a lot of money into that TV series, and it shows. It's the complete opposite of Ranma--Ranma gets worse and worse as the series progresses (in terms of quality) whereas Inuyasha keeps getting better and better (overall).

And definitely Ghost in a Shell--beautiful backgrounds, but man, the whole plot was in two lines of dialogue for that whole thing.

I also felt that way watching Vampire Hunter D--in some cases I think the gothic CG animation was so intensely detailed that my brain just stopped processing after a while...but it didn't matter since the plot was just waiting for *Something* to happen (oh, they're still just chasing the carriage for the nth time, can go back to zoning again...)

I just picked up Robotech to revisit my childhood--I don't remember much except that I loved it. I think the older anime can be just as exciting and interesting to watch as long as it's well done. And a lot of the newer stuff can be really boring, no matter how fancy-smancy the effects are. So it really depends on what you're watching, not when it was done, I think.
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