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Eivion



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:57 am Reply with quote
Thought the first episode was decent. Don't find Jinta the most likable person, but I'm fine with him so far. I find Menma and at least two of the other former friends to be annoying though. Not sure if I will continue this one. Sort of can already figure out where it will go, I'm not fond of any of the characters yet, and I've never been a big fan of the MC being made to look like an idiot due to him responding to a person only he can see.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:57 am Reply with quote
To me it doesn't matter whether a character's deal is justified or not (although, yes, one would hope writers take the time to make sure things are justified) - a bummed out character can be a drag to watch. Again, I don't mind the guy, but I can understand other viewers who might find him a bit problematic. For myself, I'm a little nervous he'll be mean to Ghost Memna because he thinks of her as a trick his mind is playing on him. And I don't want anybody to be mean to Memna. Mad
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egoist



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:18 am Reply with quote
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It looked like he was what, five-six? People barely remember what happened in their life at that age.

Then I'm not part of this group of people because I still remember perfectly fine how I felt when my dog died 15-17 years ago.

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I don't see how he as a child could have made it into a lasting trauma while the others hadn't.

He was closest to her. I'd go as far as to call it a developing love. While the others do share a certain amount of blame (not going after them straight away), he's taking a huge chunk of it because she died running after him in the mountain. Somewhere in his mind he most likely fully blames himself. Which is not weird to me, because I'd blame myself as well.

Even if he didn't force her to run after him and die somewhere in the mountain, she still did it entirely because of him.

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If this happened when he was a teen or adult even, then it would be understandable (though I still wouldn't find it touching, but that's a matter of taste).

... what? Adults can take the hit far easier because they're reasonable. He was an innocent child who already understood what death meant. Kids tend to be far more emotional.

Really don't get why people are picking on that. People can't pilot gundams, but they still do in anime. Each person reacts differently to the loss of a beloved one, and that's plain obvious.

And you think becoming a recluse because of someone's death is bad? How about the other thousand who became villains and psychopaths in anime?

Yeah, no thanks. If I had this perspective I would probably enjoy about 1 or 2 anime per year if I'm lucky.
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Nosferatu21



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:25 am Reply with quote
I really enjoyed this show more than I thought I would. It's definitely going to be one of the shows I most look forward to each week. Best OP I've seen in a long time. I'll actually watch it instead of just skipping ahead to the start of the action.

I like our MC Jinta. I fully understand why his life has moved in the direction it has. He's not in school or working but he's far from Satou from Welcome to the NHK. Menma's a fun character who will lighten the mood of this show from time to time. Everybody else has been serious so far, so her change of pace personality seems like a nice fit. Just hope she doesn't turn into this season's character whose act gets old real quick( a la Nessa and Rose from the Winter shows).
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Mister V



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:46 am Reply with quote
egoist wrote:
... what? Adults can take the hit far easier because they're reasonable. He was an innocent child who already understood what death meant. Kids tend to be far more emotional.

I can't argue about how a child would really behave because as I said, I don't know, and these were impressions I had.
Now, about teens/adults, I disagree. I'd say a lot can follow after a trauma in the teen/young adult age (I should've said, I wasn't talking about anything past 25), because they are able to understand the concepts of death and guilt better, and yet still have some emotional fragility.
Maybe it's unfair to pick on it, but I generally don't like this type of show very much, and that's when one starts finding things to complain about.

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And you think becoming a recluse because of someone's death is bad? How about the other thousand who became villains and psychopaths in anime?

I confess I don't remember any villains with a childhood friend dying. It's not... bad, I'm simply suggesting it would've worked better for me if the character ages were closer to Welcome to the NHK.
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Megiddo



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:58 am Reply with quote
I think part of the show will be Jinta coming to terms with him being responsible for his current state in life. No more blaming Menma's death for his current woes or any of that. When he used Menma's death as a excuse for why he didn't get into the prestigious school it certainly annoyed me. I think it was supposed to do that.

At least, if he doesn't go through such realization and then later transformation, then I will be really, really disappointed.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:48 am Reply with quote
Put too many of my brain cells to Madoka analysis so I didn't notice the references to other animes. Nokemon = Pokemon, Bobobobo = Bobobobo.

Episode 2:

I'm guessing we're getting episodic views of the friends reconnecting. And that OP... Full of reminiscence.

I'm really enjoying the ride of this show. I want to see how Jintan is going to "rebuild" his own life.

Edit: Added the episode I watched.


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The King of Harts



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:04 am Reply with quote
Can you (and anyone else that beats me to the punch) do me a favor and put Episode # at the top of the post? It just helps me update the first post.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:37 am Reply with quote
Another good eppie. I know this is only going to be an 11-episode show, but I'm surprised how fast things are moving. Already two of the former Peace Busters have been reconciled with Jintan, which I believe only leaves two more to be re-absorbed. Man, that Memna is carved from pure cute and adorableness. Love her character. I'm liking Jintan more, too, not that I particularly disliked him before. But it seems his not just going to be Mr. Doom & Gloom all the time, which is cool.
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egoist



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:00 am Reply with quote
I guess her wish is pretty much clear by now considering that pokemon thing. Now what intrigues me is the ending of this series. Are we having a sad ending where she just disappears, or are we having a happy ending where she's granted a second life? Wouldn't be so far off assuming she truly is a spirit as implied.

Noitamina's episode limit is starting to annoy me. Are they after the crowd allergic to long stuff? Don't think they're worth it though.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:03 am Reply with quote
My speculation is that once the job of reconciling all the former friends is finished, she will disappear, leaving me in a giant puddle of my own manly tears. I will be delighted if they go with the second chance route, but I don't see it happening.

While most noitaminA shows do seem to be 11 episodes long, Shiki proves they are sometimes willing to go beyond. Personally, for the premise and subject matter, I think 11 will be the right number for AnoHana.


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egoist



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:04 am Reply with quote
If you don't see it happening then use your third eye dammit. Laughing

That's the ending I want.
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The King of Harts



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:07 am Reply with quote
One thing I can't quite figure out is Menma's appearance. She's not as young as she was when she died, but she's still several years younger than everyone else. It's like she died at 6, everyone else is 15, but she's about 11-12. And she even acts and talks like she did when she was younger. It's especially weird since it almost seems like a fact that spirits don't age. Since this is a Noitamina show I doubt it's to "appeal to lolicons", so I'm not quite sure of the reasosing, but I wonder if it's tied to her wish, or if it'll be some kind of revelation at the end.

Also, WTF is up with Yukiatsu? First, how did he even get the dress Menma died in? Second, why does he sniff it? That was pretty messed up and I get the feeling his reentry is going to take several episodes since he seems to be hurt the most by Menma's death. My guess is that he'll never be able to forgive Jinta for killing Menma with his selfish attitude and he (Jinta) didn't deserve her as much as he (Yukiatsu) did.

If not for Nichijou, this would be far and away my favorite show of the season.

Blood- wrote:
But it seems his not just going to be Mr. Doom & Gloom all the time, which is cool.

I still don't get why people think he's Mr. Doom & Gloom. Sure, he's not energetic like most high school protagonists, but he's not a downer. He doesn't have a negative attitude, he's not a jerk, he's open to the idea of going outside despite being a semi-hikikomori, and he's willing to grant Menma's wish by talking to people he hasn't in years even though he thinks he's hallucinating. Satou is doom and gloom. Shinji is doom and gloom. Souske from TSR is doom and gloom. Jinta is nothing like them.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:13 am Reply with quote
@ TKoH - based on the first eppie there was some reason to be afraid that Jintan would turn out to be a doom and gloom character. The second episode seems to indicate that won't be the case. It also seems that he is not going to be mean to Memna. So I will let him live.
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Spotlesseden



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 1:57 am Reply with quote
The King of Harts wrote:
One thing I can't quite figure out is Menma's appearance. She's not as young as she was when she died, but she's still several years younger than everyone else. It's like she died at 6, everyone else is 15, but she's about 11-12. And she even acts and talks like she did when she was younger. It's especially weird since it almost seems like a fact that spirits don't age. Since this is a Noitamina show I doubt it's to "appeal to lolicons", so I'm not quite sure of the reasosing, but I wonder if it's tied to her wish, or if it'll be some kind of revelation at the end.


this can't be answer until we find out is Nenma a ghost or just his imagination?
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