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Remembering Anime Pioneer Fred Ladd




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Triltaison



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:17 am Reply with quote
Thanks for this little piece, Mike. I may have actually been in that exact AWA panel... I know I've usually attended it, but not 100% on whether I got to that particular year.

It's just nice to see credit where it's due, and that bit about the colorization is wild. Controversial, yes, but there was a time when stations refused to play b&w at all and it helped keep things in the public eye. Crazy to see him doing it in the '70s. I'm glad to hear how forthcoming Ladd was about details on the productions he helped localize, also. Rest in peace.
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Wonderful recollection! Those Fred Ladd dubs - Astro Boy, Gigantor, Kimba - were my intro to anime. A lifetime ago. They set me on a lifelong love of anime. Thanks very much for the background. And thank you, Fred Ladd, for everything you did!
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Thank you for this great write-up Mike. Fred Ladd was a true pioneer, and in a very real way the domestic anime industry wouldn't exist as it does without his efforts. I watched a good chunk of the Gigantor and Astro Boy dubs when [adult swim] randomly aired them many years ago, and they're honestly incredibly charming. (Dick Strong elicited no shortage of giggles from me as well.) I didn't realize he had also dubbed a few of the Toei films that Discotek has released over the years, so it'll be fun to give those a listen too.

What really surprised me is that Ladd was the first one to set lyrics to the Astro Boy theme and inspired Tezuka to do the same in the original broadcast. Crazy to think that something so iconic was a dub original!
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KabaKabaFruit



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Fred Ladd may had been a pioneer in the anime industry in North America but his works were all about localization to the point that audiences were made to believe that the works were American made. It was common practice in the 20th century. To say that one became an anime fan at face value with what was presented to audiences at the time without doing further background research is absolute nonsense.

I don't mean any disrespect to the late Mr. Ladd but I'm just tired of the anime fandom ignoring these elephants in the room, especially when the sub-medium didn't seriously start taking off on a wide scale until the 90s.
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Top Gun



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KabaKabaFruit wrote:
Fred Ladd may had been a pioneer in the anime industry in North America but his works were all about localization to the point that audiences were made to believe that the works were American made. It was common practice in the 20th century. To say that one became an anime fan at face value with what was presented to audiences at the time without doing further background research is absolute nonsense.

I don't mean any disrespect to the late Mr. Ladd but I'm just tired of the anime fandom ignoring these elephants in the room, especially when the sub-medium didn't seriously start taking off on a wide scale until the 90s.

There is literally no possible way that anime content could have aired on US TV in the 1960s without being heavily localized, and you can honestly extend that sentiment all the way through the mid-1990s or so. It just wasn't an option if you wanted to see it at all. The fact that Ladd was able to get an extremely limited-animation series from Japan on a broadcast network in 1963 is incredible in its own right.

And claiming that people needed to do "background research" in order to be considered "true anime fans" is the worst form of gatekeeping. People can only watch what they've discovered, and there's a clear through line from Ladd's earliest localization efforts, to his later work on Gatchaman (from everything I understand, "G-Force" was far less edited than the earlier "Battle of the Planets" localization attempt), to Robotech, to Sailor Moon and DBZ, to the explosion in anime's popularity in the US today. We don't get to where we are now without those earlier steps, and each one introduced a new wave of fans to this medium. You don't get to invalidate their fandom based on your own criteria.
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KabaKabaFruit wrote:
Fred Ladd may had been a pioneer in the anime industry in North America but his works were all about localization to the point that audiences were made to believe that the works were American made.


I'm another who was introduced to anime (though the term hadn't been coined then) by Fred Ladd's "localization". Astro Boy, Kimba the White Lion and Gigantor all had stints on national TV in Australia in the 1960s. I watched them avidly - Kimba was an especial favourite even though it was in black & white thanks to colour not coming to Oz TV until the mid 70s.

Even as a child I was aware they were Japanese productions: in Kimba the names were right there taking up the entire screen in the credits: Osamu Tezuka, Mushi Productions, Isao Tomita and Eiichi Yamamoto. I remember the family talking about its Japanese origins. Thanks to Fred Ladd and Kimba I was favourably disposed toward anime when I was exposed to it as an adult.

When I re-watched the series for the first time five years ago all I could remember were the theme song, the four main characters, a scene where Kimba convinces his fellow carnivores to become vegetarian and a creature called a flyger. Here's a funny thing: I became vegetarian just over 30 years ago and, although it wasn't part of my consideration at the time, I wonder how much Kimba (who makes a strong argument for it in the TV series) sowed the seeds of the idea in my mind.

Thanks, Fred Ladd, for the happy memories.
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Even if the average viewer didn't know what anime was at the time, the networks and companies knew and they knew Ladd was able to make these shows a success that would create the environment for other companies to take a risk. I doubt we would have had the 80s localized sci-fi anime boom without Astro Boy paving the way for shows like Robotech and Star Blazers which would then help pave the way for modern US/Canada anime fandom.
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Top Gun wrote:
There is literally no possible way that anime content could have aired on US TV in the 1960s without being heavily localized, and you can honestly extend that sentiment all the way through the mid-1990s or so. It just wasn't an option if you wanted to see it at all. The fact that Ladd was able to get an extremely limited-animation series from Japan on a broadcast network in 1963 is incredible in its own right.
Nobody is saying he didn't achieve anything by doing so. I'm only saying that people shouldn't pretend that they knew it was a Japanese production at the time when heavy localization efforts were in place to make the show seem like it was intended to be an American production. To a kid watching the set, a cartoon was a cartoon was a cartoon. That's it.
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And claiming that people needed to do "background research" in order to be considered "true anime fans" is the worst form of gatekeeping. People can only watch what they've discovered, and there's a clear through line from Ladd's earliest localization efforts, to his later work on Gatchaman (from everything I understand, "G-Force" was far less edited than the earlier "Battle of the Planets" localization attempt), to Robotech, to Sailor Moon and DBZ, to the explosion in anime's popularity in the US today. We don't get to where we are now without those earlier steps, and each one introduced a new wave of fans to this medium. You don't get to invalidate their fandom based on your own criteria.
I know I'm speaking anecdotally here but I've seen more than enough posters on message boards here and others throughout the years tell us that their fandom was defined by these particular shows despite being exposed to heavy localization efforts and being made to believe that these were pure American productions. How could they know that they were Japanese productions if they didn't do their background research? It didn't make one a fan out of all anime, only for the shows they were watching on television. Localization may had been necessary, but the fans were still hoodwinked.
Errinundra wrote:
I'm another who was introduced to anime (though the term hadn't been coined then) by Fred Ladd's "localization". Astro Boy, Kimba the White Lion and Gigantor all had stints on national TV in Australia in the 1960s. I watched them avidly - Kimba was an especial favourite even though it was in black & white thanks to colour not coming to Oz TV until the mid 70s.

Even as a child I was aware they were Japanese productions: in Kimba the names were right there taking up the entire screen in the credits: Osamu Tezuka, Mushi Productions, Isao Tomita and Eiichi Yamamoto. I remember the family talking about its Japanese origins. Thanks to Fred Ladd and Kimba I was favourably disposed toward anime when I was exposed to it as an adult.

When I re-watched the series for the first time five years ago all I could remember were the theme song, the four main characters, a scene where Kimba convinces his fellow carnivores to become vegetarian and a creature called a flyger. Here's a funny thing: I became vegetarian just over 30 years ago and, although it wasn't part of my consideration at the time, I wonder how much Kimba (who makes a strong argument for it in the TV series) sowed the seeds of the idea in my mind.
That's a wonderful story, Errinundra, and it's good that you saw the show for the Japanese production that it was which helped expand your views into the anime industry as a whole. But, it can't be said for everyone else here and I am prepared to die on this hill with that statement.
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
Even if the average viewer didn't know what anime was at the time, the networks and companies knew and they knew Ladd was able to make these shows a success that would create the environment for other companies to take a risk. I doubt we would have had the 80s localized sci-fi anime boom without Astro Boy paving the way for shows like Robotech and Star Blazers which would then help pave the way for modern US/Canada anime fandom.
You doubt, Takato, but I don't. I believe if Ladd hadn't stepped up to the plate, someone else would. Ladd gets full credit because he was the first to the punch bowl.
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KabaKabaFruit wrote:
You doubt, Takato, but I don't. I believe if Ladd hadn't stepped up to the plate, someone else would. Ladd gets full credit because he was the first to the punch bowl.
I'm not sure what your goal is in trying to diminish Ladd's impact on the anime industry when the man just passed away a few days ago but it comes across as tasteless to me.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:55 am Reply with quote
It's a shame that there isn't any video or photos of Ladd (or anyone else for that matter) trying to colorize the original B&W productions. I've seen original cels from the first Astro Boy production and they were painted in black and white, which makes sense because why waste money and time on color if it could not be seen by the majority of its viewers.

Thanks for the article. I could totally picture Ladd in a 'Kids These Days' type moment when you brought up his localization name choice.
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Hiroki not Takuya



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Jefcat wrote:
Wonderful recollection! Those Fred Ladd dubs - Astro Boy, Gigantor, Kimba - were my intro to anime. A lifetime ago. They set me on a lifelong love of anime. Thanks very much for the background. And thank you, Fred Ladd, for everything you did!
I echo the above in every detail, not an exaggeration to say those shows changed my life. This article is a superb way to eulogize a man I had only parenthetically heard of but deserved attention from the people his work touched. Thanks Mr. Toole. May Mr. Ladd rest in peace with his fathers Crying or Very sad

Now, to KabaKabaFruit...I assume you "weren't there" because I and others here were and there was no mistaking the shows where from Japan (Japanimation as it became). As a grade-schooler I was able to tell the names in the credits were Japanese (Errinundra too) so when I/we rediscovered anime in the late '80's I turned on to them again because I recognized that which I had missed for so long. The artwork and storytelling style as well as the subject matter and treatment have always been distinctively different from anything in the west. Like CardcaptorTakato said, very poor taste...
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Cutiebunny wrote:
It's a shame that there isn't any video or photos of Ladd (or anyone else for that matter) trying to colorize the original B&W productions.


The mention in the article that Ladd had begun his colorization project by working on "Porky Pig" cartoons might have caught my attention the most out of the whole piece. It reminded me of a footnote in Leonard Matin's Of Mice and Magic that described Warner Brothers "in the early 1970s" "tracing over frames of film" "in Korea." I have a recollection of having seen some of those cartoons on TV in the 1980s, although the footnote was somewhat critical of how they'd turned out.
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Thanks for the reminiscence and profile, Mike. Fred Ladd's Astroboy taught grade-schooler me that animation was a medium for pretty serious science fiction, that was several steps up in quality from Space Angel.

I may not have known it was Japanese, but I knew it was animation, and it meant I looked for more like it, and it meant that I took animation to be a serious medium from an early age --- finding French and Eastern European animation as much as Japanese for a good long time.
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Those terrible looking recolored Looney Tunes shorts made him rather infamous amongst animation fans and historians when I first got on the internet. They still seem to have a grudge against him for that so I'm not sure if he had something irreversibly done to those shorts or not although bringing Anime to the US market might be another reason.
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