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teferi



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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 12:36 pm Reply with quote
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I know the manga artist Daisuke Satō died,


Daisuke Sato was the writer. Shoji Sato is the artist.
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EricJ2



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I suspect it became one of those things that was turned into a much bigger deal culturally by beauty product companies, who make big money every year selling products that promise to slim and contour facial appearances to people who are insecure that they have big-face.


Especially when, in Japan, saying "You have a big face" is, in a word, saying "You're fat".
(Particularly around the cheeks and chin.)
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Shiroi Hane
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 1:23 pm Reply with quote
You remind me of the one “character” from Asrael’s “I Am a Japanese School Teacher” blog who will forever be known as “the teacher with the big-headed boyfriend”

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We went out on a “date” once (just between friends…she has a boyfriend and at the time I had a girlfriend). During the date she was telling me about her boyfriend, so she showed me a picture she had on her cell phone. “Oh, he looks pretty cool,” I said.

Her face turned completely serious, as she said “Not really. His head is too big.” And I can’t stress how serious she was here, as if this pained every waking minute of her life. To prove her point, she showed me another picture and said “Look! See? Way too big.”

I already feel bad for this guy. I mean, nobody likes to get hit with break-up lines, but I can just see her one day coming to him and saying “I’m sorry, this just isn’t going to work. Your head is too big.”


There are also many anime girls with a large forehead as a defining trait.
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Lord Geo



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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 1:41 pm Reply with quote
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but that doesn't mean someone else could restart the show and take it in a new direction.


This is obviously coming from a mindset that manga is more like the company-owned comics of Marvel & DC, not the creator-owned comics of Image & other independent companies. Manga has always been creator-owned, so it's not like Fujimi Shobo (the original publisher of HSotD) can simply get another artist to take Sato's place & bring it back to serialization. Sure, it could happen, but only if the other Sato would want that to happen.

I think the creator-owned aspect of manga tends to get thought about less, mainly because most licensing is done through the current publisher of the manga at the moment. The fact of the matter, though, is that a lot of mangaka either aren't all that good as handling that kind of business, or simply don't want to bother with it, so they let the publisher handle that stuff. Some will at least make their own studio to help manage things, which is why you have the likes of Dynamic Pro, Ishimori Pro, Kurumada Pro, Bird Studio, etc., and that's why you often see a different publisher handle a re-release of a series, compared to the original publisher.

Probably the most infamous example of not bothering at all with the business side of things is Leiji Matsumoto, who doesn't have any equivalent to a "Matsumoto Pro" to organize the licenses of his own works. He just lets the original publishers for manga handle licensing, which is why it's next to impossible for a single publisher here in America to publisher all of his works. Kodansha published Queen Emeraldas, so Kodansha USA had an easy go for that, but Akita Shoten published titles like Yamato & Captain Harlock, so Kodansha USA couldn't get those, which allowed Seven Seas to license those. At least both companies chose Zack Davisson to translate, so they all have a consistent tone & style to them, ala what Japan got with Matsumoto's original writing.
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Animegomaniac



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I always kind of thought that the problem with High School of the Dead was that it had nowhere to go. Once they left the high school, that was kind of it as original content went. Sure, the story made it to a mall... zombies in a mall, where did they get that from I never wondered... and then the characters left it, followed by bit of a break in serialization of a reported illness after which one aimless chapter gets published and then years later the writer dies. I was reading it as it was published and this is the schedule of things as I remember them.

I can not help but repeat an old joke Marx Brothers joke: "I bet he's just using that as an excuse." It's the writer who reportedly got sick and unless he was in some sort of coma, I'm not sure what prevented him from communicating the story to the artist.

But there is no excuse for not doing the remaining material as a movie.... an anime movie... about zombies... in a mall... Oh right... Would the production have gotten sued by Universal? These are the guys who went after Nintendo for Donkey Kong/King Kong after all and "Of the Dead" zombie movie set in a mall was an IP they paid good money for.


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Nordhmmer



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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 4:24 pm Reply with quote
Highschool of the Dead had been on hiatus for quite sometime before Satō's passing.
After these five plus years or so,why would people think the manga would be restarted without it's author.
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Theodore Relic



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Interestingly, if you ever read the earliest Spider-Man and Dr. Strange comics from the early-mid 60s (created by Steve Ditko and Stan Lee) Steve would frequently use that hand symbol. In Spider-Man it was so Peter could fire his web-shooters, while in Dr. Strange it was utilized with spells.
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BadNewsBlues



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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:13 pm Reply with quote
Animegomaniac wrote:


I can not help but repeat an old joke Marx Brothers joke: "I bet he's just using that as an excuse." It's the writer who reportedly got sick and unless he was in some sort of coma, I'm not sure what prevented him from communicating the story to the artist.



Aside from potentially that there's also the fact the writer may have had no set idea as to where the remainder of the story was going to go.
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Hiroki not Takuya



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While I would generally agree about petitions, as signer #182 in the campaign to return the banned/removed Milky Cabbage to YouTube, that and other outcry did return MC alias Christina V to YT so these things can happen. I am so happy to add that Christina Valenzuela was encouraged, followed her passion and is a full-fledged big-time English VA today. But sadly, lawyers and companies in Japan probably aren't as easily swayed...
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 2:05 am Reply with quote
Even if both HOTD creators were wanting for more anime to be made and all the adaptation rights were obtained, what other factors might have prevented HOTD 2 from being made, say, 6 years ago this July?
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 2:20 am Reply with quote
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what other factors might have prevented HOTD 2 from being made, say, 6 years ago this July?


I don't know about six years ago, but six years is too long. There is a recent example in The Blue Exorcist, the anime was popular in 2011, followed by a movie next year. Last year (2017) the tv series sequel got a lukewarm reception. Fans do move on, unless there is supposedly something great yet to be animated (Index, I am looking at you) chances are it is too big a risk to make a sequel that fans are no longer interested in watching/buying. Yeah, there is Full Metal Panic IV, but again, that was already written. If they continued the HOTD manga today, it would take easily a year to have enough material for another cour and then it would take another year (as a minimum) to get into the queue of producing an anime. So at best it would have 8 years since season one. TBT I would prefer another season of School-Live!
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 1:23 pm Reply with quote
Japan being run by the Sandford NWA confirmed.
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Sakura Shinguji



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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 1:31 pm Reply with quote
mangamuscle wrote:
Kadmos1 wrote:
what other factors might have prevented HOTD 2 from being made, say, 6 years ago this July?


I don't know about six years ago, but six years is too long. There is a recent example in The Blue Exorcist, the anime was popular in 2011, followed by a movie next year. Last year (2017) the tv series sequel got a lukewarm reception. Fans do move on, unless there is supposedly something great yet to be animated (Index, I am looking at you) chances are it is too big a risk to make a sequel that fans are no longer interested in watching/buying.


To mention another example, I find it fascinating that they keep making Fafner anime installments, especially with such a long hiatus after the first series and movie. It's hardly near the top of the list of properties that I'd expect to keep getting funded, but maybe someone at King Records is just really, really trying to keep Tow Ubukata happy and working. At any rate, all sorts of circumstances do exist for lengthy delays in continuing a title.

That being said, I feel like if there was any realistic shot at the anime or manga continuing, it would have happened long ago. Anime-wise, they were likely denied the permission to, because I can't imagine them just choosing not to somehow create an anime-original second season if they were in full possession of the adaptation rights.

Manga-wise, they would have found another writer to pair with Shoji Sato, or he would have just taken up writing duties as well, as he already does with other manga he's worked on. The fact that neither of these things happened implies something actively prevented it, whether it was Daisuke Sato's heirs or the publisher.

Though there is certainly also the possibility that both of those parties were onboard at some point, and they went to Shoji Sato and said, "we want HotD to continue, we can get you a writer or you can do it yourself," and he was all, "nah, I'm good, busy with Triage X, which will become an even bigger hit." (Ron Howard narrator: "It didn't.")
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Lord Geo



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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 2:41 pm Reply with quote
Sakura Shinguji wrote:
To mention another example, I find it fascinating that they keep making Fafner anime installments, especially with such a long hiatus after the first series and movie. It's hardly near the top of the list of properties that I'd expect to keep getting funded, but maybe someone at King Records is just really, really trying to keep Tow Ubukata happy and working. At any rate, all sorts of circumstances do exist for lengthy delays in continuing a title.


This is not a 1:1 comparison with Highschool of the Dead, however. Fafner, though having manga & novel adaptations, is an original work done by Xebec & King Records. Therefore, it's much easier to make new sequels for Fafner, no matter how long the wait is, because all that's needed is for Xebec & King Records to be interested, & for Tow Ubukata to be ready & willing to come up with more of it.

Highschool of the Dead, however, was originally a manga made by the Sato brothers that was later adapted into anime. Because of that, making more HSotD anime would require there to be enough material to adapt into another season, and if the producers of the anime wanted to continue the story, then they'd have to get the permission & approval of the surviving Sato brother in order to even just take a single step forward.

In theory, more Fafner could get likely get made without Tow Ubukata, since the property likely belongs to Xebec & King Records. More HSotD, however, cannot get made without Daisuke Sato's approval, no matter how much the producers would likely want it to happen. Another perfect example would be Akagi, as Masao Maruyama publically admitted before that he had wanted to make more Akagi anime, but due to various reasons known only to him, he never got the chance to more make Akagi Season 2.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 3:06 pm Reply with quote
Sakura Shinguji wrote:
The fact that neither of these things happened implies something actively prevented it, whether it was Daisuke Sato's heirs or the publisher.


I think it is simpler than that, they had no interest in doing more HotD. Zombie stories are interesting at the start, high tension, high adventure and little plot required. The longer the story goes the more apparent it will become that there was no real ending planned from the start. Doing a second season just to see everybody die (like in many zombie tales) would enrage many fans and continue to kill zombies will become repetitive and boring fast. It would be easier to do a new zombie series than continue this one.
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