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FireballDragon



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:12 am Reply with quote
TBH, I think it'd be kinda neat for Western animation to practice the "manga-to-anime" process as well.

By which I mean sort of like how superhero comics got cartoons, but more with a direct adaptation to it, like how manga get made into anime.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:15 am Reply with quote
Personnaly i dont see much of a point in making more original stuff there are already way to many manga / LN etc out there that can be adapted and some of us like myself arent big fans of reading or gaming but prefer watchin the stuff. So personnaly wish there would be less original stuff and they would focus more on adaptating of whats already available.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:27 am Reply with quote
@BlackPoint.

But you don't have to worry about stuff like being faithful for the source material, filler, author not finishing stuff, etc. Original works have their advantages like pacing, endings, character development on their own terms. Granted, budgets can prevent that from being perfect, but can be good when used well.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:27 am Reply with quote
BlackPoint. wrote:
Personnaly i dont see much of a point in making more original stuff there are already way to many manga / LN etc out there that can be adapted and some of us like myself arent big fans of reading or gaming but prefer watchin the stuff. So personnaly wish there would be less original stuff and they would focus more on adaptating of whats already available.


The thing with Orignals is that the studio has much more freedom aka it can make much better projects, while if you pick up a popular, but crappy deep down, light novel, you can't really spread your wings so to say.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:37 am Reply with quote
AksaraKishou wrote:
The thing with Orignals is that the studio has much more freedom aka it can make much better projects, while if you pick up a popular, but crappy deep down, light novel, you can't really spread your wings so to say.


Even if you do, the moment you deviate from the source material to show your own vision there will be a stir among fans. Did we really need another FMA adaptation?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:42 am Reply with quote
BlackPoint. wrote:
Personnaly i dont see much of a point in making more original stuff there are already way to many manga / LN etc out there that can be adapted and some of us like myself arent big fans of reading or gaming but prefer watchin the stuff. So personnaly wish there would be less original stuff and they would focus more on adaptating of whats already available.


The big problem with what you say is that manga / LN rights don't belong to the anime studios.

Most adaptions happen because manga / LN publishers want to promote their manga / LNs

Is almost impossible to a studio go around publishers and make adaptations of their own. Publishers are extremely protective of their proprieties. Unless they want to promote the manga, LN, game or unless they get a very big part of the profits of the anime, they don't let anyone make anime adaptations of their proprieties.

Also that is one of the reasons that Neflix are now producing mostly anime originals.That way they can bypass Japanese publishers and go directly to the studios.

Also most adaptions end after 1 or 2 cours and if you want to know the rest of the story you have to read the rest on the manga and LNs.

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Sunrise is a good example: a big percentage of their shows are original anime productions -- especially famous ones like Gundam, Cowboy Bebop, and Tiger and Bunny,

Don't forget Mai-HiME, my favorite anime that came out of Sunrise.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:30 pm Reply with quote
BlackPoint. wrote:
Personnaly i dont see much of a point in making more original stuff there are already way to many manga / LN etc out there that can be adapted and some of us like myself arent big fans of reading or gaming but prefer watchin the stuff. So personnaly wish there would be less original stuff and they would focus more on adaptating of whats already available.

I don't think you need to ask for more adaptations. The industry at large seems to prefer them and more than enough adaptations are made every season. But more original anime is a good thing because it is where more new ideas and innovation are found. Adaptations can be great if they are done correctly, but they often recycle the same concepts over and over again.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:47 pm Reply with quote
I love anime original shows and I think Netflix is perfect for them. They already have a few that have been very successful. It would only be good for anime studios and the industry as a whole.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:00 pm Reply with quote
Fun fact, while they've done both original and adaptations, Production I.G was largely founded with the intent to produce original anime.

animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2000-08-01

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ANN: Why did you start Production I.G? What was your goal with the company?

Ishikawa: Well, when I started I.G. in 1987, in Japan Anime was though of as an extension of Manga, Anime had no importance of it's own. I wanted to make an Anime feature film that stood on it's own without Manga. Anime was only watched by the "otaku".

Maki: He says otaku, he means the fans of Anime, in Japan Otaku is often a derogatory term.

ANN: Yes, people are still debating the definition of the word "otaku" in the English language it can mean anything from a regular fan of Anime, to a serious fanatic.

Maki: Yes, he means just a regular fan.

Ishikawa: I wanted the other people to get interested in Anime.

ANN: You mean the mainstream market?

Ishikawa: Yes.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:09 pm Reply with quote
Sturgeon's law applies to all - original or adapted. Original just means a lot more (of your own) money is at risk if you end up in the 90%. Kadokawa et al have the means to spread that risk so thin that a dozen total flops will barely dent them. Plucky Anime Studio #9001 will spend the rest of their days paying off the debt for one (& debt is much harder to shake off in Japan than in the USA, for example).
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:24 pm Reply with quote
Minor correction, Justin.
Justin wrote:
Satelight keeps a foot in both worlds: their new series Jūshinki Pandora is original (created by Shoji Kawamori), but they're producing Caligula, a mobile game adaptation.

Caligula was originally made for PS Vita, and remake version for PS4 will be released this May.

And by the way, I read somewhere that the (arguably) lukewarm response for Last Exile: Fam, the Silver Wing hit Gonzo really hard and drove them into... well, a shadow of their former selves (didn't recall they made any other ambitious projects ever since). Is it true?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:32 pm Reply with quote
Too bad Puella Magi Madoka Magica, an original anime, only lasted 12 episodes. I feel the series was actually canceled, much like most of the "Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, Disney Anime hyper et cetera" originals. What is the current fate of the franchise as a whole, I don't know.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:40 pm Reply with quote
L'Imperatore wrote:


And by the way, I read somewhere that the (arguably) lukewarm response for Last Exile: Fam, the Silver Wing hit Gonzo really hard and drove them into... well, a shadow of their former selves (didn't recall they made any other ambitious projects ever since). Is it true?


I don't know about Gonzo, but in the late 80's early 90's many studios had gone under after big original anime films and original anime series fails. After that the dependence of "work-for-hire" become very big and less and less anime originals were made. Many studios just don't have the means to survive if original anime they made are big flops and they lose money.

Southkaio wrote:
Too bad Puella Magi Madoka Magica, an original anime, only lasted 12 episodes. I feel the series was actually canceled, much like most of the "Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, Disney Anime hyper et cetera" originals. What is the current fate of the franchise as a whole, I don't know.


12 episodes and 3 movies. Also 13 mangas, 1 LN, 2 games.

No, it wasn't canceled, Just ended. Everything that was planed for the franchise was made already.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:43 pm Reply with quote
FireballDragon wrote:
TBH, I think it'd be kinda neat for Western animation to practice the "manga-to-anime" process as well. By which I mean sort of like how superhero comics got cartoons, but more with a direct adaptation to it, like how manga get made into anime.


Never gonna happen. Not the least because their isn't enough audience to make it financially viable - comic readers are a dwindling minority. For a wide variety of reasons, but chief among them: part of the fallout of the implosion of the industry in the 90's is that comics aren't as widely and publically available as they once were.

Southkaio wrote:
Too bad Puella Magi Madoka Magica, an original anime, only lasted 12 episodes. I feel the series was actually canceled, much like most of the "Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, Disney Anime hyper et cetera" originals.


0.o It told it's central story, and was done. Contrary to the nonsense the public has been sold on by publishers in the west - not every story has to go on forever.

As far as Disney goes, again... 0.o? All of those regularly produce original material - and all but miniscule number of shows eventually get cancelled.

Plus Disney has, or had, a "go out at the top" policy - limiting series to 60 odd eps. If people don't get burned out, the merch sales go on much longer.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:50 pm Reply with quote
Jonny Mendes wrote:
L'Imperatore wrote:


And by the way, I read somewhere that the (arguably) lukewarm response for Last Exile: Fam, the Silver Wing hit Gonzo really hard and drove them into... well, a shadow of their former selves (didn't recall they made any other ambitious projects ever since). Is it true?


I don't know about Gonzo, but in the late 80's early 90's many studios had gone under after big original anime films and original anime series fails. After that the dependence of "work-for-hire" become very big and less and less anime originals were made. Many studios just don't have the means to survive if original anime they made are big flops and they lose money.
There was a big financial crisis at the end of the 80s when the bubble burst, and that must have effected Anime as well. I've heard Evangelion helped promote the idea of original Anime programming on TV.
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