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kiminobokuwa



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:09 pm Reply with quote
Wow, you can really see the resemblence. However, I don't know if that warranted it getting canceled. I feel bad for the fans...
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samuelp
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:26 pm Reply with quote
Yikes!

Looks pretty much like an obvious homage/parody to me but Prince of Tennis fans are not a hornets nest you want to poke.
Publisher probably overreacted out of deep fear and I’m not sure I blame them.
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Dark Mac



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:31 pm Reply with quote
LMAO, they don't even look similar at all. Japanese fans seem to be really terrible at telling when things are "plagiarized". It's embarrassing that the publisher even took the criticism seriously.
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relyat08



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:33 pm Reply with quote
Yeah, I don't think they are that similar. It's like saying everyone who uses basic anime tropes is plagiarizing another series that also used those same tropes. This is lame.
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Morgan B.



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:45 pm Reply with quote
It’s what he deserves. And tbh, “When Supernatural Becomes Commonplace” was trash, so seeing how he’s plagiarizing another work is no surprise to me.
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HeeroTX



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:47 pm Reply with quote
The PoT readers need to pull that stick out their rears (and I've read all of the first PoT series). From what the article states, you have a series with TWO "tennis player" characters. And people are complaining because of VAGUE similarities to a series that literally has close to 100 tennis player characters, most of them covering a wealth of sports player tropes? That's ridiculous. I mean, at least with previous "controversies" you could quite literally lay one image over the other and see them match almost line for line. At WORST, this is "inspired by", which is true of most ANY title.
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sdsyukichan



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:07 pm Reply with quote
Yeah this is pretty blatant that they're based on Kintaroh and Fuji. Even the jerseys are similar to the Japan jerseys in NPoT. I get what people are saying when they say "there are so many characters in Prince of Tennis, it's easy to accidentally come out with something similar" but the authors chose these designs for the 2 characters that play Tennis? If there are other instances of similarities where the characters in the novel look like PoT characters but don't play tennis I think people might have just said "oh it's a coincidence" but Fuji especially is one of the most popular characters so obviously people were going to notice and call it out.
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Tsumikisan



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:13 pm Reply with quote
Yikes. While I can see the similarities at least in the first character, outright cancelling the series is a little much. I guess this means every light novel should be cancelled as they all pretty much borrow tropes and designs for their characters all the time.
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kamui85



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:08 pm Reply with quote
could bring myself to even read that summary, it sounds awful.
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HeeroTX



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:37 pm Reply with quote
sdsyukichan wrote:
I think people might have just said "oh it's a coincidence" but Fuji especially is one of the most popular characters so obviously people were going to notice and call it out.

While I agree that the second character looks similar to Shusuke, I'll point out that:
1) While I admit I don't know where he stands in 2nd series, Kintarou is a "relatively" minor character/rival in the original series (he's not in the "main" Seishun team, nor in any of their "standard" rivals)
2) I haven't read the book, but looking at the image comparison, if the top is the MC, his personality doesn't seem like it'd match Kintaro at all (since that's a pretty "not normal" image of Kintaro)

I mean, did you ever try comparing manga images of Naruto & Fairy Tail & Dragonball? It wouldn't be tough to make stylistic matches.

I mean, THIS is more what I expect if you're gonna tell me someone is getting ripped off:
http://www.otakutale.com/2014/no-game-no-life-artist-yuu-kamiya-allegedly-caught-tracing-other-peoples-work/
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CurseTheSky



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:56 pm Reply with quote
HeeroTX wrote:
sdsyukichan wrote:
I think people might have just said "oh it's a coincidence" but Fuji especially is one of the most popular characters so obviously people were going to notice and call it out.

While I agree that the second character looks similar to Shusuke, I'll point out that:
1) While I admit I don't know where he stands in 2nd series, Kintarou is a "relatively" minor character/rival in the original series (he's not in the "main" Seishun team, nor in any of their "standard" rivals)
2) I haven't read the book, but looking at the image comparison, if the top is the MC, his personality doesn't seem like it'd match Kintaro at all (since that's a pretty "not normal" image of Kintaro)

I mean, did you ever try comparing manga images of Naruto & Fairy Tail & Dragonball? It wouldn't be tough to make stylistic matches.

I mean, THIS is more what I expect if you're gonna tell me someone is getting ripped off:
http://www.otakutale.com/2014/no-game-no-life-artist-yuu-kamiya-allegedly-caught-tracing-other-peoples-work/


lol. That article is a complete load of shit. For starters, one cannot copyright a pose, therefor it is impossible to plagiarise one. If it were possible, then every artist for the past several hundred years is guilty of plagiarising.

...and secondly, it is called referencing. Many artists do it.
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Lemonchest



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:23 pm Reply with quote
If that's all it took to get the book cancelled, I wonder if they were already looking for an excuse.
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Gasero



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:25 pm Reply with quote
I can notice some similarities, but not nearly enough for me to consider it plagarism (based on the reference images). There are plenty of anime characters that look like those reference images.

I think it is an overreaction to cancel the series, but if the creator feels THAT much guilt about it, perhaps there may have been some plagarism involved.
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Megiddo



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:30 pm Reply with quote
They look like generic bishies to me. There's no direct tracing involved so I don't particularly see any harm. Just an overzealous fanbase wreaking havoc once again.
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SWAnimefan



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:14 am Reply with quote
Better late than never, though surprised nobody noticed the similarities until a second volume.

CurseTheSky wrote:
lol. That article is a complete load of shit. For starters, one cannot copyright a pose, therefor it is impossible to plagiarise one. If it were possible, then every artist for the past several hundred years is guilty of plagiarising.

...and secondly, it is called referencing. Many artists do it.


Indeed. It's an artistic method that has been done for generations, taking a picture / painting of an original and learning their methods, then applying your own with your own style. For instance, Star Wars ANH lifted ideas from other movies and Lucas made it his own. In this case, only the pose and minor elements were taken, but the overall artwork was his own.

Now if he copied the characters exactly, face, body, etc, and only changed the hair color, then it becomes plagiarized. Which is the issue of this news article of this mangka copying aspects of PoT.
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