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Tony K.
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Heh. I know this thread's been around before, but I just want to see what'll happen.
I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything. I just want some of your opinions on what you think is different between animated films in Japan and America (*whispers* it's for my paper.) Basically, all I can come up with is that anime has a different art style and that the content is much more diverse than U.S. cartoons. Yes, yes, I know in Japan manga actually means comic or cartoon, and that anime is just a word to classify the genre, like "sci-fi" or "slasher" (at least that's what I think I remember hearing... ![]() Anyway, go ahead and discuss this if you want, hopefully you all can generate a good, clean fight without taking a bite out of your opponent's ear. ![]() Last edited by Tony K. on Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:28 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Mitsuru
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By definition, anime is a format and is strictly drawn in Japan. There have been times, where you couldn't tell it was anime until you looked at the credits - so I have read.
But in my opinion, the adapted definition in today's society of anime is - a show or movie, with a style of art that was created by Japanese culture. It usually consists of certain elements - story, drama, (tragedy or comedy), etc. |
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Chiyosuke
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In Japan anime means any form of animation (including Western). In the US anime means strictly Japanese animation (created, planned and animated in Japan). Also hybrid production count as anime (like how ADV, Bandai, Geneon or Urban Vision produce/finance Japanese animation) I don't consider The Animatirx to be anime because that was an American idea/production, not Japanese (although they did the direction and animation production), and two of the shorts weren't anime anyway. One was American and one was Korean. Manga is Japanese comics.
I hope that helps. |
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Aaron White
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I suspect Tony is really more interested in talking about the differences between Eastern and Western animation than the same old boring haisplitting definitions of "anime."
One thing I think is significant is that western animation developed the "classical" or full-animation style that we see even before color in animation-early on, the Fleicher Bros. and Disney were doing cartoons that emphasised smooth flowing motion. Classical animation became the standard in western animation, while in Japan they didn't have the resources for much of that. Instead they created a limited-animation style that depended on editing largely static shots together, so Japanese animation depended more on Eisensteinian editing that Western animation ever has. It's stayed that way, even though more anime has full or partially full animation, and there's a lot of limited animation in the west now. When Western animators like Hanna and Barbara switched from classical to limited animation they did so in a more primitive and less cinematic fashion than japanese animators had, relying on dialogue and minimal visual staging. |
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Tony K.
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Wow. That's pretty insightful. Thanks. You mind if I add some of this info to my paper? You won't sue me or claim plagerism will you? ![]() |
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Aaron White
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I don't mind at all, but I'm no authority; you're gonna want to cite more substantial sources than "Some internet fanboy." And I can't for the life of me recall what source material I'm drawing on for that post. I mean, some of it comes from my own observations, but I'm pretty sure I read some stuff about how early eastern and western animation styles developed, and that fed into it.
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the_soultaker
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lmaooo there's a huge difference. any otaku knows that with anime there is better storytelling, although most series can be a bit too epidsodic and some just drag on and on. ("cough" noir "cough" garasaki "cough")
there's also no holds barred action, battle scenes,profanity and a bit of sexuality that do not cater to the dreaded FCC's standards of practice. what you see is what you'll love. back when i was much younger. (13 yrs old) while many kids my age was tuning into lame @ss he man cartoons, i was watching captain harlock,cyborg 009,galaxy express etc on a foreign station. (with english subtitles) and i was hooked ever since. now the unfortunate thing is that one-shot ovas a few and far between. most anime series can drag as long as 8 volumes. it could be a good thing as well as bad depending on how much one likes a series in particular. (HELLSING rules!) ![]() plus i resent when people think of a prime example of anime; they mention DRAGON BALL Z(!?!) WTF? |
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jmays
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I'm sure you're sick of all the "technical" definitions of anime, but an LA Times article from a few days ago had the best one I've seen from a major paper:
I'd also suggest you steer clear of the stuff the_soultaker said above...but I'm sure you knew that already. |
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the_soultaker
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i wasn't quite sure what he maigi meant when he said to steer clear of the stuff i mentioned. (albiet my opinion or the aforementioned animes themselves.) or does he strongly dislike my previous post. i would hope it wasn't the latter because as a moderator, i think he would do well to avoid a posting a cheap shot like "which i'm sure most of you have".
![]() ![]() his statement can be viewed two ways. it all depends on one's perception. oh well everyone is entitled to their opinion albeit right,wrong or indifferent. my thanks to tony k for an interesting topic and feedback. Last edited by the_soultaker on Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:00 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Aaron White
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Soultaker, I think he meant steer clear of Gasaraki, noir, DBZ, and he-man, the shows you mentioned as inferior shows. In other words, I think s/he was agreeing with you.
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Tony K.
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Hmm. Now that I think about it, maybe I shouldn't get so techincal in the paper. It sounded nice when I first read it, but when I looked at my outline and paper guidelines, I remember my professor saying "it should be information you are realtively familiar with, but don't try to make it a research paper, either." So, maybe I'll just try and keep it a little more simple. Thanks anyway. ![]()
Yeah, I kind of already had an idea in terms of origin. However, right now, I'm looking more for opinions from actual viewers in what they think about anime in an entertainment sense rather than how it differs technically. Yeah, I suppose having some technical differences can extend my paper's content, but I think the more relevant difference lies in the enjoyment values. But thanks for that L.A. Times quote, that's the general idea I'm looking for. ![]()
Yeah, DBZ, Gasaraki (which I haven't seen), Pokemon, and Yuu-gi-oh! will all be avoided for reference puposes. Thank you the_soultaker-san! ![]() |
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Tenchi
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I find that, whenever this subject is addressed, usually there are generalities about American cartoons, and I hate generalities, because generalities all suck.
![]() Actually, I addressed this very subject in an article I wrote in my blog entitled "PARENT'S GUIDE TO ANIME" (...FANDOM CHAUVINISM)". (In keeping with the rules of this forum regarding spoilers, beware the unmarked Cowboy Bebop spoiler, it's a doozy.) It's way too long for me to repost in its entirety, but here are the most crucial two paragraphs.
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kamiboy
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To me, the main difference is that American animation reached the peak of its development in the 40-50's and hasn't really developed since then. It has been stuck in the "cartoons are for little children" rot and that has retarded its further development. In Japan, on the other hand, animation was just getting started when western animation had already come into its own. I think it can be widely agreed upon that Japanese animation reached its development peak in the 80-90's and hasn't developed much since then.
But that is not talking about the technical aspects of animation, which have lately been going trough a revolution of sorts with the transition into the digital domain and the increased use of 3D CGI. |
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Aaron White
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Fritz the Cat, American Pop, Simpsons, Beavis and Butthead, Heavy Traffic, Aeon Flux, The Maxx, South Park, are a few that break out of that paradigm. And many of Disney's and Warner Bros. cartoons aren't "for little kids" but "for everyone, little kids included."
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Nagisa
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No, Miagi's saying that what the_soultaker posted was juvenile and ignorant. Which...it is. There's no reason to avoid the shows that the_soultaker mentioned, just ignore his "anime r better then Amerikun toons because theyres sex & vilince!!!!!!!11111111" nonsense. |
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