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Mad_Scientist wrote:

And plenty of black people use the n word, and some don't care if white people use it either. That doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the wishes of all the black people who DO care just because some don't.

Those two words aren't even remotely the same thing. One is a racially charged word with decades of history and hatred behind it to the point it was a factor of the Civil War and the other is just an issue of a small minority of people take issue with it on the internet, most of whom don't even partake in the practice.

chito895 wrote:

It all depends on how you say those kind of things, actually, but that's hard when we are just writing things in a forum/computer, and not talking face to face.

Exept "Trap" is just wrong, period.

No excuse. There's no way you can use that word that isn't by nature dehumanizing. Go and reread Hope's post. You missed the point.

Words mean things. And when you learn they mean things like Trap does, the correct response is to stop using them. You don't get to twist the definition or use a "But context" defence.

I just gave my opinion and that's all. Is there a problem with giving my opinion?

That is so utterly wrong I don't even know where to begin.

Did you not even read Hope's post? Let me tell you something: trans women are frequently MURDERED by angry guys who felt that simply by existing, trans women are inherently deceptive, inherently trying to trick them. Trying to 'trap" them. They are beaten and KILLED for this.

If they ever decide to make a LA out of this (which doesn't sound so farfetched considering the recent trend), I vote for that guy to play Takeo!

Firstly, nobody is talking about transgendered people. People are talking about anime, manga, and crossdressing. Crossdressing and being transgender are not the same thing,

and crossdressing is not considered part of the LGBT community because most crossdressers are straight, and do it merely for fun or as a fetish. It's inherently deceptive to lump crossdressing and transgender issues together.

Not every girl who cosplays as male Attack on Titan or Naruto characters identifies as men, nor every guy who cosplays as a Sailor Guardian identifies as a woman. A lot of the time they usually just simply like the characters or are having fun.

It's presumptuous to just assume anyone who cross-dresses is transgendered and lump these issues together and insisting the word is strictly a transgender issue.

Secondly, the word is not exclusive towards one gender.

If you single out men attacking trans-women, then is it acceptable to use the word for female characters like Naoto and Sera since they're women passing as men and therefore not the victim of men, which I presume is the actual heart of this issue?

"Trap" is used to describe your Seras just as much as they are to describe your Hideyoshis.

Very few "trap" characters are transgendered, they're often just mistaken due to have either a flat chest or just being very effeminate.

It has nothing to do with gender identity, which is why the connotation of crossdressing and transgender is flawed.

I also don't see why an American problem should affect Japanese media, which I assume these murders you speak of take place in America and not Japan as that kind of hate crime is more of an American thing, especially a culture like Japan where effeminate men are not demonized and are in fact considered cool in pop culture. Applying American viewpoints to Japanese media is generally flawed

I also don't see why an American problem should affect Japanese media, which I assume these murders you speak of take place in America and not Japan as that kind of hate crime is more of an American thing, especially a culture like Japan where effeminate men are not demonized and are in fact considered cool in pop culture. Applying American viewpoints to Japanese media is generally flawed

-Stuart Smith

Stuart Smith wrote:

Firstly, nobody is talking about transgendered people. People are talking about anime, manga, and crossdressing. Crossdressing and being transgender are not the same thing,

I'm well aware of that, but the word trap is used as a slur against both, and it's use hurts both. You cannot separate the use of the slur against crossdressers from its use against trans women and the attitudes it promotes for both.

Trap in almost all circumstances refers to anime and manga (I have never seen the term used to describe anyone in real life, and if I ever did, I'd be the first to tell them to shut their mouth).

However, what it comes down to, as I mentioned earlier, is the the enitre concept of traps (as the internet has dubbed them for now) is that they're mostly played for comedy.

It's meant to be comedic, that's how the word is used now (again, at least from what I've seen), where as a term like androgynous is long, not particularly funny, and wouldn't be as encompassing.

If an anime character came along that did identify as a woman, and it was meant to be a serious story, I would probably have a lot more problems with it, but for now, that hasn't happened.

Oh my god, that's so cute! They really nailed it!