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Vekou
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I have a new hero.
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fxg97873
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Here's the full Mainichi article if anybody is interested:
http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/waiwai/news/20060512p2g00m0dm014000c.html The intolerance from this lady is quite sad and it's magnified by her elitism and draconian definitions. The feelings of Moe, to me, are equivalent to the feelings you get when you see a cute kitten (e.g. protective, paternal/maternal, caring). Like most normal people, I don't actually want to do "anything" with the cat. She's lumping things together and making perverted assumptions. mk2000 Last edited by fxg97873 on Sun May 14, 2006 8:31 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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chrisb
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Wow, finally someone has the guts to blast the same weirdos who are their fans. Bigtime-Otakus have gotten out of hand and need a good slap in the face from reality.
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MorwenLaicoriel
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I'm kinda back and forth on her comments...
In some ways, I think what she's saying is correct. Maybe not all 'Moe' fans are thinking in a sexual way...but a heck of a lot of them ARE. She's sort of exaggerating the problem, but it's THERE, and it's frankly a little disturbing. At the same time, though, her comments about some of the 'otaku' stuff is rediculous. If I have to close myself off from the world to consider myself a true fan, I'm glad I'm not really an Otaku. |
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jsevakis
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Well, to make one thing clear, what we think of as the meaning of "otaku" is very different from the Japanese definition. The Japanese definition is closer to "shut-in"; the type who live in their mom's basement and barely venture out. She's a reformed otaku, as that kind of "otaku" is definitely NOT healthy, and she's trying to say, "wake up Otaku Culture! This is insanity!"
I'm not sure going on the offensive is the best way of persuading people, mind you, but I'm glad someone is saying something. Drawing cute 8-year-old girls is one thing. Drawing cute 8-year-old girls showing their panties is quite another. Any guy who gets a hard-on from that needs to have an M-80 duct-taped to their junk. Edit:Not that I'm advocating such a thing. But if one Japanese friend of mine is right, and the average age for losing one's virginity now in that country is hovering around the 10-years-old mark, something is clearly wrong. Last edited by jsevakis on Mon May 15, 2006 4:42 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Josh7289
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I was going to say about the same thing as you, MorwenLaicoriel. These moe otaku that she describes are just that: pedophiles. And what's worse is the fact that many of these people are now acting out in real life their twisted fantasies. These kinds of people should just be locked up right away.
I really can't see how the Japanese government can be so lax about this serious problem in their country. There are freaking vending machines that sell used four-year old girls' underwear over there! WTF?! Even though Mimei Sakamoto is 120% correct about the moe stuff, I wonder about her other remarks about being a true otaku. She confesses to being one, but she says that also entails shutting oneself off from the rest of the world. If that's what she believes makes a true otaku, then whatever. Really, that would be better for these moe fans that going out and committing crimes of child abuse.
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Dargonxtc
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Man talk about harsh, dorky guys can't even dream these days.
Now this is totally right on. |
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PantsGoblin
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I don't know what's more stupid, the writer of the article who claims to be an otaku (when in truth she's just a sad hikikomori who doesn't understand the concept of moe) or the people on this thread who actually agree with her. Why do people comment on things they're completely ignorant of? (oh wait, most people on the internet are stupid)
That's true, myself included. Moe and sexual desires are completely different though. People group them together all the time, which is where the problem comes. Either attempt to understand something before judging it, and if you can't understand it, don't comment on it at all. Otherwise it just makes you look like an idiot.
Really? You sound just like a hikikomori, not an otaku at all. I consider myself an otaku, I am not and do not want to become a hikikomori. Locking yourself up to the world sounds sad (what a hikikomori is), having a passion and deeply invovling yourself in something you like, I don't see a problem with that at all (heck, I'm sure most people are hugely invovled in at least something. Yes, that would make most people an otaku).
This is the only part that may be somewhat true. I myself am completely aware of it though. I like to support products I like (amazing concept) so I don't mind paying slightly more then usual.
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tripperdan99
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A pedophile is a pedophile. Some are introduced to the concept or live out their fantasies through the tolerance of moe, then hentai takes it a step closer. Trash is trash, and there will always be parasites and rodents that flourish in such an environment. Such an unwise path to walk, imho.
Kudos to Manga artist Mimei Sakamoto td99 PS I apologize, when I said hentai, I ment the specific type that fostered pedophiliac fetishes Last edited by tripperdan99 on Sun May 14, 2006 8:02 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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dormcat
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Josh7289
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Woah, woah, woah. Are you saying you are a pedophile? Please explain yourself on that one. |
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Dargonxtc
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Hey dormcat you mind translating that for us.
Your laughing circle dude is fascinating. |
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Case
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Insert politically correct pedophile-hate rant here.
Thought about asking the forum for a definition of moe, what kind of anime or manga titles we're talking about here, whether Sakamoto-san is actually on to something or just trying to make noise to get attention for the single manga work that she has listen in the Encyclopedia... but I realize from the posts already made that it's not worth the effort. Suffice it to say that if you think all "normal" anime fans should be watching Eureka Seven, you're more than likely just a bigot who needs to back off and let other people have their own opinions. |
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dormcat
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Oh, don't forget this:
English Translation: She started her career as a porno manga artist. Target audiences were female, though. She's also known for being very conservative, advocating
And she loves cosplaying.
That's from Yahoo!
Then why havne't United States banned all baby beauty pageant activities with real girls yet? How about violent movies and video games that "caused people killing each other?" Knives, skrewdrivers, and even ball point pens can kill people too. Ban, ban, ban them all, and we'll have an Utopia where no crime would ever happen. How about some "bullet controls?"
Her name was added (not by me) after this news was put on the front page. Last edited by dormcat on Sun May 14, 2006 7:23 pm; edited 5 times in total |
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Doddler
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Some people do find sexual gratification through 'Moe', but why is that wrong? Its a victim-less act and merely a branch of adult animation. You may not agree with it, but there is no harm in it. If you think things should be banned because it has the potential to incite someone to perform a crime, then nothing in this world would work.
The problem facing japan (and otaku in general) is that of a mental state, where people who are weak and wish to feel confort without feeling threatened are attracted to moe. But moe does not cause the problem at hand, but is just an outlet where these people express themselves. You're dealing with hikikomori who shut themselves away from society and will turn to anything to fell comfort. Targeting Moe as the cause of the problem is foolish. One could draw parallels to the current situation with violent gaming in north america. |
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