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l33tmeatwad
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LOL...RIAA == Music....MPAA == Movies and home video. Here's the catch, VERY FEW anime movies and TV shows are associated with companies that are members of the MPAA. 99% of the stuff in America, if pirated, will have to be pursued by the company itself. That being said, I have a feeling that's why the companies are trying to guilt trip everyone about fansubs. At several conventions there have been "people in the industry" speaking out about how "fansubs are wrong"...they probably feel that there is a chunk of fansub downloaders with morals and if they can guilt trip them into ONLY buying DVDs then their profits can increase. One probably wonders "why don't they speak out about the massive amount of DVD ripping groups?" I think this is probably because MOST people who download DVD rips won't give a crap nor will be "guilt tripped" by their speeches, so they don't bother. |
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the_chap
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I guess it all boils down to quality.
Basically, in Singapore, there're 3 choices for you. Buy their products, import it, or download it. To put it into more humorous context, let's assume they're all food. Would you prefer to, a: Buy shit wrapped in newspaper* b: Buy expensive sushi which tastes alright but take a long time to serve c: Eat great sushi in large variety served almost immediately which costs almost nothing 'A' being Odex, 'B' being imports and 'C' being fansubs. * There are claims on the internet about Odex having poor quality products in poor quality packaging. |
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mufurc
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It's more like a) buy very, very expensive sushi which tastes alright but comes in tiny little portions and takes a long time to serve or b) buy expensive sushi that comes in slightly bigger portions and takes a long time to serve. |
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tueac
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Well other then those on animax, the rest are from odex... yes even the NTV7's Haruhi, which for dunno what reasons is not shown in singapore... TV rights to expensive? |
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tueac
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Sorry dude, but you got the wrong company here. Bleach is not licensed by ODEX, by right odex do not have to cared about it, by TV tokyo ask them too, in writing... blame poh kim for bringing in taiwan imports rather then producing their own version. And how long ago have you not bought an odex release... and how long ago have you bought an original release... If you don't like ODEX release, you can always import... Oh they are not as fast as you demanded also... then download at your own risk... ODEX have already admitted that their old releases almost crappy but they are changing... VOD services to bring you the latest releases is about to start. Currently it in the debugging stage. |
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tueac
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1) Remember HIP alliances warning: It is not file sharing, its stealing! 2) The Third parties outside of AVPAS might be their members who owns most of the rights. 3) They didn't backdate to 2 years ago. They said that they can keep the evidences for the valid date of up to 2 years. 4) as i said above, ODEX is acting on behalf of AVPAS's members which are the animation studios of Japan. Each title is asked in writing by the studios to enforce the rights. And that is true. alot of very helpful people are still correcting many people with a misconception of the news and information. making the water alot muddier... or confusing... |
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tueac
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Odex's products are not expensive...(S$39.90 aka US$20 for 13 episode) but they have the same video transfer quality and good sound. Their subtitling is of a "you can understand what the people are saying easily" standard. But without the goodies... like extra... like many reviewers like to say, its a economically packed release. |
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dormcat
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Some clarification: Taiwan does not have Bleach "licensed." The general license of SE Asia was acquired by MediaLink; the regional distributor in Taiwan is Hi-Yu International. |
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starcade
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I'm basically talking about how people are going to take a look at this from the perspectives of the RIAA and the like. Look, this is no longer a problem that has national borders -- you've got YouTube being sued by Australian interests (and I'm still waiting for the JASCRA lawsuit)...
That's fine -- and they can do that at their own peril. I'm beginning to think that this age of a lot of anime with a lot of companies in the States is about to come to an end. You've got a significant downturn in the American economy coming on like a runaway freight train. Navarre is cannibalizing the #1 company in America for God-knows-what reason... I mean, it's a guilt trip -- fine. But the problem is that you have a situation that -- frankly put -- anime is too expensive of a hobby for a lot of the fans which choose it. |
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l33tmeatwad
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The problem with that is, 90% of anime is direct to DVD releases, which requires them to charge the prices they do in order to make a profit. If that is the case, the only shows we will continue to get are the ones that are marketable enough to show on TV, as that is where they would get then bulk of their money. Keep in mind that boxsets don't make them enough money to justify the entire process they put into the series. |
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starcade
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Correct, but not my point. My point is that there is a large number of fans who just download the stuff and probably couldn't afford to continue in anime to any meaningful extent if they were unable to do so. (And what you are suggesting is where I see anime going to at some point soon -- no more "C" titles and fewer and fewer "B"'s...) |
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zylias
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Ok, we don't know who is "poh kim" and neither do we work in Odex, nuf said. Why do we have to buy Odex release? How long we bought an original release has got nothing to do with this. Anime downloading has been in Singapore for more than 6 years, kid. There was even sg's anime distribution channels in irc back then. Odex claim that recent year's sales has dropped significantly. Have they asked themselves if they've ever kept up with the technology? VCDs at this age? lol? Odex is changing? VOD? Lol, they can spend more than 6 months solely on suing people, whining about downloaders in papers and their site remains "Under Construction" during these period, they're certainly changing. Why provide VOD after u sued so many people for downloading? No confidence in your service over the fansub? And finally, its all talks, no actions been taken, they had been like that, and still is. Misconception u say? They are the one to post in the news paper article about their one-sided views. Your the one to talk here, all that you've said are not even facts that anyone of the us can prove. And people decided what the situation is to them through FACTS posted online. What u said are obviously sided with Odex, how about explaining to us what is your relation with Odex? |
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sleepy_pig
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>Well, if they're limiting this to downloading anime that Odex has already licensed in Singapore, then I don't really see how people have any argument against Odex.
> >Complaints about advertising and quality aside, being licensed is being licensed and though, that's what your stuck with. > >I was kind of irked when some ISPs appeared to give out information even without a court order, but this time they got a court order, so I'm not really sure there is much to complain about here. What people rightly do have a problem with Odex is that they are far from being the ethical company that even deserves to get money from anime fans anywhere. Besides lying, recent newspaper articles is not too glamorous on all anime fans in general. It makes Odex villifying anime fans to the general Singapore public, making all of us fans look like illegal downloaders or endorse it. http://asia.cnet.com/blogs/rehashplus/post.htm?id=63000177 Odex's actions so far is definitely wrong. Unfortunately they obviously no sense of right or wrong, just a sense of whether they can get more money out of the legal situation in Singapore. Imagine if the only company you have a monopoly of all anime licenses in the US is Streamline 15 years ago, and it goes out and basically sends a letter to all anime club fans asking them to pay $5000 to settle without any prior warning. Even if the only licensed anime available in the market were Streamline dubs of Battle of the Planets. Of all the efforts us fans have tried to support licensed anime in the past, this is how a local distributor rewards the fans, by slapping letters asking the parents of those downloaders to pay up, instead of warning them first. The stupidest thing they did was go after the anime fans, the consumers who are also trying their best to support licensed anime. Boycotting the company shouldn't even begin to put things right - as fans we should do everything in our power to make sure they are out of business so a better company that actually deserves anime fans' money can take over the licensing rights they now don't deserve to hold. So far there are things being talked about that I hope fans all over the world can support: - Pool in money to buy license rights from Odex - Create a fan oriented company that provides odex with competition or even DVD production services. - Boycott Odex prodcuts - Parallel import US and Japanese original DVDs in place of Odex products - Create for-profit Anime clubs to pool resources to purchase foreign materials, hopefully introducing fans to not purchase Odex's products and bring their market to a halt. - Go to the retailers to talk them out of selling Odex products - Complain to the consumer association of Singapore to complain about Odex's knock-off quality products For anime fans, it even a lot better to have Odex go out of business and not have any locally licensed anime in the short run than to deal with Odex in the long run. If any international anime fan is out there, please pledge your support by giving ideas, they will be apprecaited. http://blog.codefront.net/2007/08/20/most-sensible-post-on-the-odex-controversy-in-singapore/ http://sgcafe.com/forumdisplay.php?f=78 |
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